upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes



upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » September 16th, 2008, 6:43 pm

Here they are, pics of C5 Brakes Installed!!
if someone can post more info on the brake upgrade please do so.
(heres limited info) but theres still a great deal thats very useful here!
these links hit most of the common tips and areas of info
keep in mind having a SHOP MANUAL HANDY to refer too HELPS


viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3190

Here's a list of parts (except the adaptor brackets) needed to do the conversion:

https://www.superchevyperformance.com/Articles.asp?ID=124

if you have the J55 big brake option on your mid year C4 corvette the brake pad part numbers from http://www.autopartswarehouse.com
are front W0133-1615589
rear W0133-1621818

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/baske ... d=&rq=true




http://www.pozziracing.com/12_corvette_ ... n_fgen.htm

http://www.dougrippie.com/drm/brake_conversions.htm

http://www.electro-dynamics.com/brakes/brakes3.html

http://www.coppercorvette.com/c5toc4brakes.htm

http://www.vbandp.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=331

viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1848&p=16080#p16080

http://www.joby.se/corvette/mods/2006-0 ... nt_brakes/

http://www.teamzr1.com/eric.html

http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2001/august/brake-upgrade/brake1.asp

http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=45780&dept_id=1033

http://www.speedtech-performance.com/pd ... _Rotor.pdf

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/ ... +installed

http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=41806&dept_id=1033

http://www.idavette.net/hib/C5diy/c5diy2.htm

Image
http://www.soec.org/forum_photos/daves_ ... de2006.pdf
Image
[img]http://www.grumpysperformance.com/

btw does anyone know where to get a significantly smaller in dia power brake booster thats an improvement over the stock booster

The car stops AWESOME now; I can't recommend this mod enough! For those wondering it cost me $500 for the complete conversion using new parts I got from various sources.

These pics are VERY large thats why they are linked.

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36908/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/553

Here are some comparisons if the stock 12" rotors I took off vs. the new 13" C5s.....what a difference!!

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36912/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/677

Almost twice as thick!

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36910/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/652

Calipers side by side:

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36906/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/553

Image

Image

Image

There u go...BTW this will help
http://www.classicperform.com/TechBook/ ... eshoot.htm
CorvZ061- thanks for the resize

Grumpy- The backs are new stock C4 parts. The swap was very easy anyone with basic brake knowledge can do it - no machine work needed.

Here are the Steps:

1. Remove Wheel
2. Unbolt brake hose from caliper
3. Unbolt caliper mouting bracket
4. Remove Caliper assembly
5. Remove rotor
6. Clean off rotor mouting surface (i also clean controlled arms and spindle)
7. Bolt-on C5 Conversion bracket using included bolts.
8. Mount C5 rotor
9. Bolt on Preassembled C5 caliper assembly to Conversion bracket using included bolts
10. Attach stock brake hose to Caliper
11. Bleed brakes
12. enjoy

Parts I needed:

C5 Rotors
C5 Calipers
C5 Caliper Mounting brackets
C5 Pads
C4 - C5 Conversion brackets and mounting bolts purchased from: http://upfronttechnologies.com/

Here are the brackets:for the latter C4s

Image

Here is how they look behind the ZR-1 wheels:

Image


Here they are, pics of C5 Brakes Installed!! :devil:

The car stops AWESOME now; I can't recommend this mod enough! For those wondering it cost me $500 for the complete conversion using new parts I got from various sources.

These pics are VERY large thats why they are linked.

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36908/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/553

Here are some comparisons if the stock 12" rotors I took off vs. the new 13" C5s.....what a difference!!

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36912/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/677

Almost twice as thick!

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36910/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/652

Calipers side by side:

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/showphoto.php/photo/36906/size/big/password//sort/2/cat/553
Last edited by grumpyvette on September 17th, 2008, 1:40 pm, edited 4 times in total.
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » September 16th, 2008, 7:21 pm

IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » October 20th, 2008, 8:56 am

Everyone that has driven a C-4 and a C-5 knows that the C-5 brakes are far superior but don't fear there are people out there that make brackets that allow us to bolt up the bigger, better brakes to the cars we love. I got my brackets from member Jeffvette so that's where I'll tell you to get yours too.:laughing:
First we'll start off with some comparison shots.
Here (in the next few pics) you see the size differences between the calipers and rotors. Sorry for the crappy rotor on rotor pics buy the old ones are boxed up and headed out and I didn't know how bad the pic was untill later.;)
Image

Image
Image

Image

OK so now we see why to do the swap let's look at how.
We'll start with your tire removed, if you need directions on this step, put down your tools and step away from the car. You shouldn't be doing this.
Image
With the tire removed locate and remove the bolts that hold your cailpers to the caliper brackets. On my car these were a 15mm bolt and a 17 mm wrench for the pin.

Image

Image

With these bolts loose you can set the caliper up on the a-arm for future use.
Leave the brake line hooked up to it for now so there isn't a lot of fluid leaking while you work.
Image

Now using a 13/16" socket I removed the caliper bracket. I didn't this in two steps to show how the two go together. More experienced people can remove the caliper and caliper bracket together.

Image
Image

Now you are down to the bare rotor. Some stock setups will have a spring clip holding the rotor on the spindle just use a pair of needle nose pliers and remove it. I've changed my brakes in the past so I didn't have a clip to remove. Just pull the rotor off now.

Image

You should now be looking at this:
Image

Now you can put your adaptor bracket on the spindle using the hex head bolts to secure it.

Image

The bracket shown is for an 84-87 car. The bracket shown below is for 88- up cars.

Image

Then put your C-5 rotor on the spindle and attach the caliper bracket. This picture shows the brackets installed with out the rotor to show how they go.

Image

Here is how it should look with the rotor installed.

Image

Note I have to shave the washers for clearance to the spindle so that they would sit flush
Image

Now when installing the caliper be sure you have the rubber gaskets that go from the pin to the caliper bracket. I had to use the ones from my old brakes as my new ones didn't have them.
Here is a picture of what I am talking about and below that is how to remove them.

Image

Image

These will just pop into the grooves in the pin and caliper bracket.

Now install your brake pads and bolt your calipers onto the brackets this is just the reverse step from the begining. It should look like this when done.(of course you will have brake pads as I don't in this picture)

Image

Image

Now you will remove the brake line from your old caliper and let it bleed just a hair then bolt it to your new caliper and bleed the brakes as you normally would. You are now ready to go for some retina sheering stops. Have fun.:buhbye:
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » November 25th, 2008, 8:51 pm

if someone can post more info on the brake upgrade please do so.
(heres limited info)

http://www.electro-dynamics.com/brakes/brakes3.html

http://www.corvetteguys.com/corvette-brakes.html

http://www.teamzr1.com/eric.html

http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2001/august/brake-upgrade/brake1.asp
Image
http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=45780&dept_id=1033

http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=41806&dept_id=1033

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-1 ... refilter=1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/ ... pgrade.jpg


btw does anyone know where to get a significantly smaller in diam power brake booster thats an improvement over the stock booster

Image


Quote from Jeff Kopp
QUOTE
Here's the parts required list I've put together (don't forget you'll also need the non-GM special bracket kit):
C5 Brakes on C4
Qty Needed P/N Description
2 12455799 Caliper Bracket
1 88895129 -or- 12530682 Caliper
1 88895128 -or- 12530683 Caliper
1 10445856 Rotor
1 10445857 Rotor
4 10139097 Hose Gasket
4 12530697 Pin
4 12530703 Seal
1 12530681 -or- 88909667
(Or Non-OEM) Pad Kit


the prices below were from superior chevrolet's website, and at last check, the site was updated last sometime in 2002 if i recall correctly
Calipers
12530682 Reg C5 Caliper - RH $100.80
12530683 Reg C5 Caliper - LH $100.80
88895129 Z06 C5 Caliper - RH $97.65
88895128 Z06 C5 Caliper - LH $97.65


Rotors
Part Number Description Price
10445857 C5 Rotor - LH $55.83
10445856 C5 Rotor - RH $55.83
88926732 C5 Rotor - LH (Durastop Performance) $44.40
88926731 C5 Rotor - RH (Durastop Performance) $44.40

Caliper Brackets
Part Number Description Price
2455799 Caliper Brkt - 2 required $31.67

Misc Parts
Part Number Description Price Order?
12530697 Caliper Guide Pin (4 reqd.) $3.95
12530703 Caliper Guide Pin Seals (4 reqd.) $3.30
10139097 Brake Hose Gasket (Copper Washer - 2 per caliper) $0.42
12530681 C5 Brake Pads $65.87
88909667 C5 Ceramic Durastop Pads $54.87
Review My Order and/or Checkout
*Prices current as of 1/04/02



here is info about the ADAPTERS to adapt the C5 or Z06 brake caliper bracket
QUOTE
the place i got mine from said this

The brackets to mount the C5 brakes on a C4 are $95 ea. The 14mm blots and lock washers are $40. We are selling the brackets and bolts for $200 plus shipping.

his name is rich gardner
and the guys at car-vette referred me to him
and Ed Salinas is the one who referred me to car-vette, as Ed Salinas is one of the originators of the C% adapter bracket, however, he did not have any parts in "stock" and didn't see himself producing any in the forseeable future.

he can be reached here
rgardner@upfronttechnologies.com
http://www.upfronttechnologies.com

i couldn't find a link to purchase JUST the brackets on his site, but you can email him for the info - i think it cost me like $26 or so to ship them here.




these prices may not be accurate - as i just pulled this data from the text document i have saved on my work computer - and i believe they came off of SUPERIOR CHEVROLET's website.
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » March 25th, 2009, 11:57 am

LD85 POSTED THIS

I know, it has been done many times before, just wanted to document the lower cost for parts.:thumbsup:

Rock Auto C5 Rotors = $50 shipped ($20.99 each)
14x2 mm Bolts (Dominic) = $10.00
C5 Calipers, brackets & PAds = $190 shipped

Conversion brackets made by me = $0 See JeffVette for brackets you can buy

Since these are NOT Z06 Calipers, I have to paint them the color of my choice

Image
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » March 25th, 2009, 11:57 am

LD85 POSTED THIS

I know, it has been done many times before, just wanted to document the lower cost for parts.:thumbsup:

Rock Auto C5 Rotors = $50 shipped ($20.99 each)
14x2 mm Bolts (Dominic) = $10.00
C5 Calipers, brackets & PAds = $190 shipped

Conversion brackets made by me = $0 See JeffVette for brackets you can buy

Since these are NOT Z06 Calipers, I have to paint them the color of my choice

Image

HAVING A SHOP MANUAL COMES IN HANDY HERE! as does having (4) 12 ton jack stands , a easy rolling mechanics seat,and a couple floor jacks to make working on the brakes much easier

http://www.corvetteguys.com/c4-corvette-brakes.html

viewtopic.php?f=71&t=526&p=651#p651

http://www.corvetteguys.com/hawk-ceramic-c4-front.html

http://www.carid.com/1996-chevy-corvette-brakes/

http://blog.zip-corvette.com/corvette-t ... -corvette/

http://stevenemichael.com/57Corvettepage12.html

http://www.performancechoice.com/pc.html?frame=5.1121

http://www.ecklerscorvette.com/1996+che ... tml?cat=87

http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeK ... 22%20Rotor

http://www.performancechoice.com/pc.html?frame=5.7436

http://www.ecklerscorvette.com/corvette ... -1996.html

INSTRUCTIONS
http://www.corvettemagazine.com/tech-ar ... tallation/
INSTRUCTIONS
http://www.corvettemagazine.com/tag/c4-corvette-brakes/

http://corvette.wikia.com/wiki/C4_Brakes_Tech_Paper

http://keenparts.com/pages/catalog2.php ... &year=1996

Image
Image
Image

BTW its ALWAYS a good idea to completely replace old brake fluid and NEVER mix old and new brake fluid if it can be avoided simply because old brake fluid can contain moisture and might not be compatible with the new brake fluid

some of the newer synthetic brake fluids are far less prone to absorb moisture and boil at much higher temps that the OEM brake fluids
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/AFCO-6691 ... 65622.html

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wilwood-2 ... ,1386.html
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » April 16th, 2014, 7:36 pm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILWOOD-DISC-BR ... r&x=38&y=6

If you have some mechanical skills and $3400 you can buy and install a top of the line 13' wildwood brake system for your 1985-87 vette
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby philly » April 17th, 2014, 8:53 pm

any info on the difference between c5 brakes and the 96 collectors/GS brakes? i know the cars came with a brake upgrade similar in size to that in the zr1...
-phil

There's never enough money to build it right, but there's always enough to build it twice!
philly

User avatar
 
Posts: 1364
Joined: December 12th, 2013, 4:08 pm
Location: Miami FL

Re: upgrading your c4 to c5 brakes

Postby grumpyvette » January 5th, 2015, 1:04 pm

carid wrote:Brake rotors can wear unevenly or become slightly warped over time, compromising your braking performance. Upgraded components ensure both quicker acceleration and quicker stopping time.

When looking for new high-quality replacement brake pads, it is better to choose a product that will surely serve all your needs. Being the most expendable vehicle part, brake pads should be the most hardy of the hardy to live a longer life. The redstuff ceramic brake pads by EBC will offer OEM quality fit and operation with the superior stopping power, longer life, reduced brake fade.

See all the necessary details about these low dust pads here:
[url="http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/ebc-redstuff-ceramic-brake-pads-4196772.html"]http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/ebc-redstuff-ceramic-brake-pads-4196772.html
Image[/url]
* Ceramic pad compounds wear slower and last longer than OEM equipment;
* Eliminate squealing under the extreme cold or hot temperatures;
* 6 month/10,000 mile manufacturer warranty against premature pad wear under normal driving conditions;

Vehicle brakes are vital to your safety when driving. All the performance brake kits, rotors, and pads feature precise fit for a trouble-free installation and the highest quality possible for years and miles of reliable service.
Check this 1-click vented brake kit manufactured by PowerStop:
[url="http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/powerstop-1-click-street-warrior-z26-brake-kit-31481591.html"]http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/powerstop-1-click-street-warrior-z26-brake-kit-31481591.html[/url]
Image
Image

High-quality brakes go hand in hand with driving safety. Brembo and Wilwood are gods in brake industry. They offer all kinds of high performance calipers, brake pads and discs.
You can read more information about [url="http://www.carid.com/brembo/"]Brembo at CARiD.[/url]

The following video will give you some information about the Brembo brakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL-_eTPYU58

A lot of high sport cars like Ford Mustang or Porsche are factory equipped with Brembo brake systems. They also offer custom aftermarket kit for your Chevy Corvette.
Check prices and see other details about GT Series Brembo brakes here:
[url="http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/brembo-gt-brake-kit-1345466.html"]http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/brembo-gt-brake-kit-1345466.html[/url]
Image
* Designed specifically for your vehicle and driving conditions;
* Calipers available in your choice of color;
* Pad retaining system minimizes brake noise and facilitates pad changes;
* Comes complete with all necessary mounting hardware and comprehensive instructions;

Wilwood is the number 1 competitor of Brembo, as they also provide the top of the line performance brake products with a great quality and value. Read more about [url="http://www.carid.com/wilwood/"]Wilwood at CARiD.[/url]

This street performance brake kit is designed for perfect fit and function. Follow the link to find out more information about race brake kit created by Wilwood:
http://www.carid.com/2012-chevy-corvette-brakes/wilwood-street-performance-brake-kit-15985201.html
Image
* Expertly crafted from premium materials:
* Made in USA;

Also check out this video about brake testing of Wilwood brakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq1JSr_9RA8
Hope you find it helpful!

If you are not up to upgrade the performance of your Corvette, just take a look at caliper covers designed by MGP. They definitely will help you to upgrade the appearance of your OEM calipers.
Also take a look at these custom caliper covers for your Corvette:
http://www.carid.com/mgp/custom-caliper-covers.html
Image

Which option is the best for you: performance brakes or caliper covers?
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
grumpyvette

User avatar
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14105
Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Location: florida

Денежная сенсация- заработок на ЦРУ

Postby Thomasot » February 24th, 2016, 1:14 pm

Ваш доход от 100 000 рублей в месяц гарантирован, потому что:
Только сегодня три полноценных источника гарантированного дохода
от 100 000 рублей в месяц по цене ОДНОГО (!!!)
Подробности...
Thomasot

User avatar
 
Posts: 997
Joined: December 15th, 2014, 8:46 pm
Location: Россия


Return to Suspension and Brakes: Repairs and Modifications

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests