bare minimum tools



bare minimum tools

Postby grumpyvette » February 12th, 2015, 1:12 pm

ALLEN wrote: Grumpy? what do you think the bare minimum of tools would be to build or re-build an engine?
I'm thinking of rebuilding the 383 V8 in my road runner and while I have a standard set of mechanics tools like wrenches ratchets, sockets and a 1/2" torque wrench I'm certainly not in possession of several of the more commonly referred too tools in the numerous engine building threads I see posted here?




well I think the "BARE MINIMUM" would be a HEALTHY CHECKING ACCOUNT BALANCE , and a DEBIT CARD!

I'm sure other members will add useful comments, and share experiences
but to answer the question,, and assuming youll do much of the final assembly work yourself... it would rather obviously depend a good deal on how much work you intend to do yourself, theres a great deal to learn and yes it will take some research and time reading and theres a huge difference between assembling parts as they come out of the packaging VS BUILDING and ENGINE CORRECTLY, so reading the sub-links helps,
most of us start out with far less tools than we wish we had, but we tend to buy what we need as we develop both the skills to use the tools and the knowledge of what the tools are used for and why they should be used to begin with.
vs ...procedures you rather pawn off on a good trust worthy local machine shop.
in many places if you join a local hot rod club you may find the local guys may be willing to help and supply loaner tools or some places like advance auto do rent or allow you too borrow tools if you leave a deposit to insure their return.
when I started out I found that having a good engine stand was a huge improvement over working on the garage floor on a large plastic tarp, which is how I built my first 400 Pontiac engine, so if I was just starting Id strongly suggest you get one even if you intend to use it and sell it later to re-coupe much of its cost.
you can rent an engine crane , to remove and install and engine but the rental cost over two or three days my easily exceed the cost of purchasing a good used one, off craigs list , or bargain trader or from HARBOR FREIGHT,locally

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http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... _200305217

http://www.harborfreight.com/2000-lb-ca ... 69521.html
now you can,t really guess at clearances, even if the machine shop does much of the prep work, so youll need at least a decent caliper and some plasti-gauge strips, thread taps and feeler gauges
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youll want a decent torque wrench
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http://www.harborfreight.com/36-piece-3 ... 60669.html
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a dremel tool comes in very handy
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damper tool
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BTW when you go to buy a ring compressor...and youll need one of the correct size to fit your engine bore with the rings and pistons your using after the machine shop verifys the bore, cleans the block and hones the bores as required..this type works far better than the others

related threads youll want to read thru carefully
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=125&p=48605&hilit=engine+stand#p48605

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=139&p=169&hilit=engine+stand#p169

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=852

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1738&p=4333&hilit=number+stamp#p4333

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6255&p=23947&hilit=taps#p23947

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1262&p=6142&hilit=taps+dies#p6142

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10923&p=47947&hilit=plastigauge#p47947

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=247

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2726&p=7077&hilit=plastigauge#p7077

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1222

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=321&p=389#p389

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10532&p=44678&hilit=books+video#p44678
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby 87vette81big » February 12th, 2015, 2:01 pm

Besides Grumpys links and advice....

Finding a top notch Engine Machinist that is dedicated and honest.
Not a liar & thief.

Everythings costs.
Engine block machine work & valvejob is most important .
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby philly » February 13th, 2015, 12:53 am

youre also gonna need....

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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-4 ... 7AodzSgAgg

that kit includes a camshaft degree wheel and a piston stop and a dial indicator for endplay

also should consider some micrometers, inside and outside type, again depending on how much you do yourself vs have the machine shop do.

if youre gonna clean the block yourself you could use these

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-6 ... gQod1XEADw

some wire brushes in brass and steel again if you want to do most of the work yourself.

also a piston ring filing tool,

a valve spring compressor

some sort of valve keeping up while no keeper installed device

a pushrod length checker if you got new heads or you had your factory heads / block milled and or decked

valve spring height micrometer

a torque angle gauge

a rod bolt stretch gauge

some checking springs for your pushrod length and rocker alignment

definitely need to score various bolt removal tools for the inevitable siezed spark plug, broken manifold bolt, snapped stud that is for sure gonna happen.
i guess alot of it depends on your application also, and how much blueprinting and assembly work youll be doing vs paying someone else to do.
should probably score a couple books on blueprinting in general and specifically blueprinting the engine that you are working on, for the purpose you are gonna use it for.
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby philly » February 13th, 2015, 12:56 am

oh man and chemicals, degreasers, lubes, anti siezes, brake cleaner carb cleaner atf, wd40, corrosion inhibitors, maybe some CLR if you wanna try something fancy on old rotten coolant passages
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby grumpyvette » February 13th, 2015, 9:25 am

yeah! your correct theres a dozen other tools you might want to use and many you can borrow or rent as they will only be used briefly, or tools, and supplies, you could do without them if you know what your doing and how to check clearances, I thought long and hard about including a dial indicator,
\cam bearing tool, keep in mind as you look thru the list of tools that theres little sense in buying a tool unless you understand what its used FOR and why you would use it in the first place?
If you don,t recognize a tool chances are very good you have no idea what its used for or why theres a need for it
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with magnetic stand,
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checking lifter
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http://www.zoro.com/g/Snap%20Ring%20Tools/00059785/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lil-49200/overview/
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cnl-927/overview/
valve spring compressors
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cam degree wheel,
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[b]yes it sure helps to have the correct tools and know where to measure parts

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lifter bore hone,
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a piston bore hone,
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http://www.professionalequipment.com/ex ... ermometer/
Wide temperature range from -58 to 1832°F (-50 to 1000°C)
ring install pliers
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air compressors
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long reach air nozzle,
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deck bridge with dial indicator
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRO-66797/
adjustable push rod length checker,
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ring square tool
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with a rocker arm geometry checker,
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ring groove cleaner tool
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spring micrometers,
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a crank snout, turning socket,
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a dead blow mallet ,
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a can of moly spray lube,
various die grinders
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and burrs,
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a piston ring filer,
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900013/overview/
GEAR PULLERS
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900012/overview/
VALKVE SPRING LOAD TESTER
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brazing torch
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and a dozen other tools that I use,[/b]but I kept thinking back to the first few engines I built and what tools I had on hand and what I used and remembered the treads about BARE MINIMUM LIST OF TOOLS but I do appreciate you gentlemen adding your ideas to the list as I'm 100% sure Ive overlooked a good many things or ignored a few obvious choices

related threads youll want to read thru carefully
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=125&p=48605&hilit=engine+stand#p48605

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=139&p=169&hilit=engine+stand#p169

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=852

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1738&p=4333&hilit=number+stamp#p4333

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6255&p=23947&hilit=taps#p23947

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1262&p=6142&hilit=taps+dies#p6142

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10923&p=47947&hilit=plastigauge#p47947

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=247

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2726&p=7077&hilit=plastigauge#p7077

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1222

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=1390&p=44334&hilit=measuring+bearings#p44334

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=321&p=389#p389

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10532&p=44678&hilit=books+video#p44678
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby philly » February 13th, 2015, 11:48 pm

as far as slapping a motor together yea you're right, you could probably trust most of its gonna fit right out of the box, i guess i looked past the bare minimum part and read too far into the "blueprinting" a motor and that requires some extensive measuring equipment....

it also depends greatly on the motor, for a gen 1 sbc you can buy a rering and gasket kit and just rock out, but for newer import engines, each main bearing is different and fitted and needs to measured for clearance and ordered... shit gets chaotic the more current the motor is...
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby grumpyvette » February 14th, 2015, 12:02 am

philly wrote:......
it also depends greatly on the motor, .......shit gets chaotic the more current the motor is...

one reason of many why I like the early 392 hemi and big block chevy engine designs
IF YOU CAN,T SMOKE THE TIRES AT WILL,FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK!!"!
IF YOU CAN , YOU NEED BETTER TIRES AND YOUR SUSPENSION NEEDS MORE WORK!!
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby 87vette81big » February 14th, 2015, 12:08 am

Its not well known but Oldsmobile V8 engines were all Blueprinted from the factory.
How many lasted 200,000-400,000 miles with a Q-jet carburator.
My #2 Favorite engine still. Olds V8.
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Re: bare minimum tools

Postby 87vette81big » February 14th, 2015, 12:10 am

The Pontiac V8 connecting rod bearing is the same Clevite part number as the 1949 Olds 303 V8.
A fact but not well known .
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