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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » September 27th, 2009, 6:08 pm

since IM not there I can,t tell you how hard it will be to get 220 volt service installed in your shop but its USUALLY not all that hard to do if you have the service /fuse panel in the garage now



http://www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/diversion_165/

http://www.welders-direct.com/merchant2 ... ode=500425

220 volt


http://www.mylincolnelectric.com/Catalo ... spx?p=2512

http://www.htpweld.com/products/tig_welders/tig160.html
110 and 220 volt
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby stony » September 28th, 2009, 7:31 pm

well i found a TIG. its a miller 180. its about 3 years old, the chassis guy that is finishing my car is closing his shop and moving to a smaller space and therfore doesnt need the 5 welders he has now ;>

got it for 1k with pedal, torch and gage. only has about 50 hours of use. Anything i sould be aware or or lookout for on this welder???
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » September 28th, 2009, 7:49 pm

sounds like a very good deal!
please post pictures/details, model etc.
don,t forget, youll NEED the torch tips, electrodes and shield gas tank and gauges, torch, and every filler rod you can scrounge
plus ASK for a DEMO on some ALUMINUM, and brief instruction doing a sample weld
and buy a auto darkening helmet

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1669

http://store.cyberweld.com/wetigto.html

http://store.cyberweld.com/tigparts.html

http://store.cyberweld.com/autdarwelhel.html

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1108

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=250

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/im ... kills/tig/
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby stony » September 28th, 2009, 7:59 pm

Cool thanks. Allready asked for all teh stuff to be included and he even vollenteered some setup and demo time ;>


He is the guy that finished my chassis and from the looks of his welds he knows what he is doing. Now i just have to get 220 in the garage ;> the wife said no to welding in the laundry room upstairs :lol:


BTW this site is awesome. lots of good info.
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby stony » September 28th, 2009, 8:01 pm

I wont be able to start on anything for a month or 2 but when i do im sure i will have questions and lots of examples of rookie welds ;>
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » September 28th, 2009, 8:24 pm

GREAT! we ALL START THAT WAY! and it HELPS to PRACTICE, so dive right in, but if you get a chance at getting some experienced welder to give you some tips and hands on training JUMP ON THE CHANCE!
Ive always felt that the brand name welder manufacturers should have made short ,very low cost classes on how to use their equipment available, at most dealers when you buy their equipment, because nothing sells welders as fast as having a buddy show you how well his new welder works.
and the one thing that keeps guys from BUYING a decent welder is not the cost because we all know that if you want something badly enough and its cost is less than a months pay, you'll eventually find a way to afford it!,But with most guys Ive talked with, its the idea that you'll spend the money and not be able to use the equipment, or use it often enough to justify its cost, but once they get some quality instruction it opens up a whole new world, and projects you've never dreamed of doing before start to look possible.
before you own a welder, you buy things like car trailers, welding tables, exhaust systems,accessory brackets,oil pans,traction bars,fence gates, etc. but once you own one you buy steel, aluminum,axles and detailed construction plans, and BUILD stuff better than you could buy,and to YOUR specifications
almost every guy I know that owns a welder bought that welder only after a buddy showed him how easy his welder was to use and how making things was not MAGIC but something almost anyone can do!
besides, theres a great deal of satisfaction in building your own custom oil pans,exhaust systems, accessory brackets or suspension components

TIG WELDERS generally cost a bit more, but once the skills mastered it is, at least in my opinion far superior, but noticeably slower than MIG welding
MIG welders are a bit less expensive but easier to learn on and use but not as versatile or precise


Cut Me Some Slag: Choosing Between MIG and TIG WeldersFROM SUMMIT RACING

As gearheads, we spend our fair share of time contemplating the important things: Ford vs. Chevy, carb’ed vs. fuel injected, skulls vs. flames. But if you’re shopping for a welder, there’s one brainteaser that trumps them all: MIG or TIG?

Whether you’re restoring a classic or prepping your car for the track, chances are good that you’ll need a welder along the way. But before you start stitching together body panels, fabricating custom brackets, or installing a one-off roll cage, you’ll need to pick a welder that’s right for you. Luckily, choosing the right welder is as simple as knowing what materials you’ll be working with and how much welding experience you have.

MIG (metal inert gas) welders are a good choice for beginners. They work by feeding a consumable wire electrode and a shielding gas—most commonly argon—through the welding gun and onto the surface to be welded. The wire acts as a filler metal and the gas protects the fresh weld from contamination as it cools.

MIG welders are capable of making strong, clean welds in a single pass but run the risk of creating spatter that’ll require some cleanup after you’re finished. Think of it as a hot glue gun for metal.

A portable 115V MIG welder can operate off of household current and can handle most metals up to 1/8" thick. For metals up to 5/8" thick, a 230V welder is the best choice. Due to temperature constraints, cast iron and aluminum should not be welded with a MIG welder.

For more tips on MIG welding, check out our in-depth tech article, Melding Metal.

TIG (tungsten inert gas) welders can produce a precise weld on any metal, although they’re generally slower and require more experience than a MIG welder. They heat the welding surface with an electric arc produced by a tungsten electrode. Unlike a MIG welder, they don’t require a filler metal, although it can be added by hand if needed. This produces a high-quality weld, free of spatter and smoke.

TIG welding offers an extremely hot, yet precise spark making it ideal for welding magnesium, aluminum, and stainless steel, as well as very thin materials. Just like a MIG welder, the TIG welding gun emits a shielding gas to keep the fresh weld clean.

And remember, whichever welder you choose, always be sure to use the proper safety precautions and equipment, including a helmet, gloves, apron, and blanket
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » April 26th, 2010, 4:01 pm

heres some links to tig related info that may help

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/te ... oting.html

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/te ... _tips.html

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/ar ... Ron-Covell

http://tractors.ucdavis.edu/TOMBELLTIGTIPS1.pdf


http://www.welding-direct.com/filler.html



36" Cut Lengths / Welding Filler Wire ER70S-6 Mild Steel, ER308L Stainless Steel or ER4043 & ER5356 Aluminum Available in 1 Lb. and 10 Lb. Cartons

Choose the filler wire for your application from the lists below. Other materials, special packaging and larger volume prices are available on request.


Tig Filler Rod ER70S6 Mild Steel 36" 1 Lb. BoxER70S6 filler rod is suitable for general shop applications with poor fit-up, oily or rusty plates, automotive, sheet metal or construction work.

Tig Filler Rod ER70S6 Mild Steel 36" 10 Lb. BoxER70S6 is suitable for general shop applications welding mild steel with poor fit-up, oily or rusty plates, automotive, sheet metal or construction work.

Tig Filler Rod ER308L Stainless Steel 36" 1 Lb. BoxER308L Stainless Steel filler rod is suitable for general stainless steel welding applications of all type 304, 304L, 308, 308L, 312 and 347 materials. Cut lengths are 36" long.

Tig Filler Rod ER308L Stainless Steel 10 Lb. BoxER308L Stainless Steel filler rod is suitable for general stainless steel welding applications of all type 304, 304L, 308, 308L, 312 and 347 materials.

Tig Filler Rod ER4043 or ER5356 Aluminum 1 Lb. BoxER4043, a good general purpose Aluminum filler with silicone additives for improved flow and reduces cracking. Bright weld finish.

Tig Filler Rod ER4043 or 5356 Aluminum 36" 10 Lb. BoxER4043, a good general purpose filler with silicone additives for improved flow and reduces cracking. Bright weld finish.

Tungsten Electrodes Rods & Wire Tungsten Electrodes Rods & Wire
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby andysimmons » February 15th, 2012, 3:08 pm

Great answers guys. Really comprehensive!
lovin the new autoset on my Millermatic 180! Triactol
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » April 1st, 2012, 2:40 pm

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/gene ... ing_guide/

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worth the time to read thru


I got tired of buying crappy cheap migs, Ive owned 110 and 220 volt lincolns, and a 180 amp hobart and a couple off brands in the 140-180 amp range I bought dirt cheap at yard sales,all got sold off after being tested, none were exactly what I wanted. and I got fed up with not being able to weld simple stuff like 1/4 plate brackets to differentials or 3" tubing to differential housings , so I went down to the local miller dealer, I explained what I needed to do with the welder and he suggested the 211,for $1100 or the 252 for $2100, I bought the 252 for $2100 even thought it was almost twice the cost because I wanted to try MIG welding ALUMINUM and the 252 is more matched to that once you add the $1100 optional components (yeah thats almost $4k to weld 3/8" brackets in aluminum with a mig welder once you get the gas tanks wire, feed gun etc. and yes its faster than my tig,but Im rarely in a rush so the tig gets used more!)
AN NO! ITS NOT MY WELDING SKILL IVE BEEN WELDING FOR 40 PLUS YEARS and yes BOTH the 211 and 252 allow you to weld STEEL brackets and get good results

http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=WD&Product_Code=907422&Category_Code=

http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=WD&Product_Code=907321&Category_Code=

Ive used it and found it works great, but a buddy has recently purchased the 211 and while its not the same it does any thing youll ever need in steel welding
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » April 15th, 2012, 11:07 am

I got tired of buying crappy cheap migs, Ive owned 110 and 220 volt lincolns, and a 180 amp hobart and a couple off brands in the 140-180 amp range I bought dirt cheap at yard sales,all got sold off after being tested, none were exactly what I wanted. and I got fed up with not being able to weld simple stuff like 1/4 plate brackets to differentials or 3" tubing to differential housings , so I went down to the local miller dealer, I explained what I needed to do with the welder and he suggested the 211,for $1100 or the 252 for $2100, I bought the 252 for $2100 even thought it was almost twice the cost because I wanted to try MIG welding ALUMINUM and the 252 is more matched to that once you add the $1100 optional components (yeah thats almost $4k to weld 3/8" brackets in aluminum with a mig welder once you get the gas tanks wire, feed gun etc. and yes its faster than my tig,but Im rarely in a rush so the tig gets used more!)
AN NO! ITS NOT MY WELDING SKILL IVE BEEN WELDING FOR 40 PLUS YEARS and yes BOTH the 211 and 252 allow you to weld STEEL brackets and get good results

http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... gory_Code=

http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... gory_Code=
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Ive used it and found it works great, but a buddy has recently purchased the 211 and while its not the same it does any thing youll ever need in steel welding



youll find many welding schools and college trade schools etc. use LINCOLN welders, not MILLER

theres NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER BRAND, BOTH, BRANDS have some good designs, BUT ID bet the schools getting a HEALTHY VOLUME discount on the price of the machines because the welding machine manufacturers KNOW that a high percentage of the weld school graduates tend to go out and buy the exact machine they were trained with has a great deal to do with the schools choice in machines



HERES MY ARC WELDER, I bought as its also an emergency shop generator, and easily converts to TIG with an accessory kit

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http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... de=K2382-4

Theres ALWAYS been and will likely always be a constantly expanding list of expensive shop tools most of us wish we could afford, but I don,t know anyone whose purchased a good TIG welder that regrets spending the cash. I went out and purchased a used tig decades ago, now Ill be the first guy to admit theres much better choices now, but at the time it seemed to be valid ,

I bought a ANCIENT 1980s TIG 330 amp welder used for a bit less than $1000 with a liquid cooled torch and accessories ,GAUGES , it may be old but it TIG welds just fine, and has paid for itself many time over in that length of time
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » March 13th, 2013, 4:48 pm

IF your looking for a good TIG welder and are amazed at the price of a new tig welder that costs $2k-$7K you might want to look around for a used TIG welder, that will cost you less than 50% if you shop carefully, when I needed a tig welder I was certainly not in a financial position to pay $2K for a welder, but I started looking in the classified adds and found a good used commercial 330 amp tig that would run on 230 volt single phase with a liquid cooled torch, gauges, and a few extras for less than $1000, while it certainly was not state of the art it works fine.
now be aware that you will need to test weld with any used TIG before you buy it and youll need extras like a tank of shield gas, feeder wire, tig torch tungsten rods an electrical plug and cords, etc.


http://www.eastwood.com/tig200dc-and-ve ... o-kit.html

http://www.htpweld.com/products/tig_welders/tig201.html

http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... ode=907460

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=295

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=8344

http://www.weldplus.com/tig-welders.htm
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » November 19th, 2013, 5:32 pm

a new miller multi use welder, converts from 110volt to 220 volt and from mig to tig use with accessory parts kit
while its not ideal for all applications it covers most shop needs, once you get the accessories and know how it works


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwJvaq-OLYs#t=40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0FNwuLcHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loJURx0SYIc

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/mul ... del=M00361

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/mul ... del=M00361
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby 87vette81big » November 19th, 2013, 7:21 pm

Thanks for the Video Link Grumpy.
You have me thinking.....
Miller Multumatic 200.
Sell my Snap On MW120 (Tweeco built) MIG Welder.
Purchase a Miller MM200.
Like you can upgrade to a TIG, Accessorize.
I like Stick Welding still also at times. Can do also....
The Boy Jami (3-1/2 months watched with me)...
Quit crying & started Cooing & Laughing....All Smiles now.

He is checking out the used Rimac Valvespring Tester .
Came in. Didn't cost a small fortune.
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby grumpyvette » December 16th, 2013, 7:08 pm

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/what-w ... 1455224176
a link you might care to read thru,discussing a shop welder

two TOOLS THAT GET CONSTANTLY USED, A DRILL PRESS AND MIG WELDER WOULD MAKE SHOPS MORE PRODUCTIVE
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http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... gory_Code=
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Re: mig or TIG?

Postby 87vette81big » December 17th, 2013, 9:46 am

Have to obtain the Lincoln Ranger soon Grumpy.
Found a few within 400 miles.
All copper alternator windings.
Not aluminum as others.
Why Welding Arc Superior with a Lincoln.
I researched Hard.
You clued me in right direction.
Thanks.

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