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the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby grumpyvette » July 14th, 2013, 12:44 pm

BTW,how many guys own basic machine tools like a decent welder and drill press , air compressor , etc/

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=10392&p=43018&hilit=miller+252#p43018

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=24

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=970

heres a darn impressive and logical custom welding project, I found posted on a different site and finding an older flex-plate or flywheel and a spare starter and gear for use with the engine stand as a gear drive and adding some custom crank handle, makes the stand more useable.
now I don,t know why I didn,t think of this, its a rather simple modification with easily obtainable components that would make using an engine stand easier.
the pictures, showing what needed to be done is rather self explanatory

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the more I look at this work/shop bench, the more I want something similar, built,in my shop!
and Im sure most of us that have room in the garage could sure use a good solid work bench, OH yeah!
its just a pipe dream at this point ,as my finances won,t currently allow it, but I,d like ideas from you gentlemen, on how to make the legs have at least some minimal adjustment, to compensate for a floor location that might be just a bit less than exactly level,obviously you could just stuff a shim or two under the legs if required, but having to stuff shims if required is really a less than ideal solution, that a well designed bench should be able to cope with.
(as I,m sure most guys realize most poured concrete floors are not always perfectly level, over the entire shop floor surface)
Id also like to have a few pull out drawers , added to the design, to keep welding clamps and supplies in and maybe a slide out rack to hold a few tools.
plus some kind of parts list and cost to build something similar.
and having a well braced top with at least a 3/8" steel top surface seems desirable
obviously theres a great many options available and you might want to build it so its easily disassembled for transport??
having the legs bolt in place would allow you to insert washers as spacers on the bolts to adjust the effective leg length IF IT WAS PROPERLY DESIGNED
Id think basic dimensions should be 4ft x 8 ft so you don,t need to cut a sheet of 3/8" steel plate as the top surface, and leg height , made from 3" square 1/4' thick square tube of about 36"-40" seems about right??


IM sure some of you computer geniuses,who far exceed my meager computer skills , could post a detailed exploded diagram of bench plans with those features shown?????
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Postby Indycars » July 14th, 2013, 5:30 pm


Seems the solid top would be hard to clamp anything down unless it was close to the edge, which wont' be true everytime. Using rectangular tubing and leaving a gap would help and also alot easier to handle than 4x8 foot sheet of steel.

WeldingTable01.jpg


Combine that with some casters and leg adjusters like below and now it's also a mobile table that can be pulled out when needed.

WeldingTable02.jpg


Four of these adjuster should support the table, they are rated at 20,000 lbs each.

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/LEVELI ... Pid=search

WeldingTableAdjusters.jpg


They have hundreds of adjustable feet, if you need something different.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/leveli ... sst=subset

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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby grumpyvette » July 14th, 2013, 5:39 pm

wow!, there you go! there are some good ideas there already!
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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby Indycars » July 14th, 2013, 5:58 pm


Since were dreaming here, you could save alot time by just purchasing one of these!

http://www.bluco.com/applications/auto/

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Postby chromebumpers » July 14th, 2013, 6:03 pm

How much do you estimate this work table would cost?
This stuff is out of my league but I would surely be able to put it to good use.
Can this table be assembled by a Mig welder? that's all I have right now.

Don't laugh but could you use those adjustable steel posts used in construction (basement beam/joist supports) for legs? There are several types and all are not that much money, very fine adjusting (a screwdriver can be used for turning the post) and have a pivoting square plate top for the floor.
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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby Indycars » July 14th, 2013, 6:59 pm


Chromebumbers,

I'm not sure which table your are referring, the home built one or the very expensive one?

Can you post some info on the adjustable steel post you are talking about, I'm not familiar with those ???


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Postby 87vette81big » July 14th, 2013, 8:58 pm

The welding table Chromebumpers shown would cost well over $20k.

Grumpy could build his own welding table for $400-500 in matetials.
I would want a flat solid work surface. No holes.
Add holes later on if need be.

We know what to get Grumpy for Christmas now.
$ for his Welding Fabrication Table.
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Postby chromebumpers » July 15th, 2013, 11:05 am

These can be legs and cut down to size. You can get foot plates with swivel ability for uneven floors and all posts have a large enough base to simply bolt on a set of wheels/castors.


http://www.homedepot.com/p/Tiger-Brand- ... eQdZcu9KSM
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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby chromebumpers » July 15th, 2013, 11:18 am

Indycars wrote:
Chromebumbers,

I'm not sure which table your are referring, the home built one or the very expensive one?

Can you post some info on the adjustable steel post you are talking about, I'm not familiar with those ???





The first one Grumpy posted (in Blue)
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Postby busterrm » July 15th, 2013, 9:27 pm

Indycars wrote:
Seems the solid top would be hard to clamp anything down unless it was close to the edge, which wont' be true everytime. Using rectangular tubing and leaving a gap would help and also alot easier to handle than 4x8 foot sheet of steel.

WeldingTable01.jpg


Combine that with some casters and leg adjusters like below and now it's also a mobile table that can be pulled out when needed.

WeldingTable02.jpg


Four of these adjuster should support the table, they are rated at 20,000 lbs each.

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/LEVELI ... Pid=search

WeldingTableAdjusters.jpg




They have hundreds of adjustable feet, if you need something different.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/leveli ... sst=subset


I agree with the idea of being able to clamp something down as Indycars suggested, by why put the much construction into it. Instead why not make the table top as Grumpy originally started with, but lets go 1/8 thicker, using 1/2 thick and use studs to clamp down your work. Drill and tap multiple locations with say 7/16 or 1/2 inch UNC threads and use all thread rod and use flatbar as the securing device. That would give it good sturdy strength for difficult situations. Legs could be bolted to the table top from underneath and the studs welded into the tabletop, the legs could have rubber feet attached to bolts through a cap on end of the 3 inch square tubing. The cap would be just a drilled hole and adjustable with a nut underneath, cut a hole large enough to fit a ratchet or breaker bar into to lock down the foot from the inside.
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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby grumpyvette » July 16th, 2013, 9:08 am

keep the ideas flowing the more perspectives we get the better the final product can potentially be that results from the mix of ideas,
any time you can get a half dozen experienced gear heads together the experience tends to bring out a good wide selection of ideas to work from.
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Postby Indycars » July 16th, 2013, 9:35 am

I agree with the idea of being able to clamp something down as Indycars suggested, by why put the much construction into it. Instead why not make the table top as Grumpy originally started with, but lets go 1/8 thicker, using 1/2 thick and use studs to clamp down your work. Drill and tap multiple locations with say 7/16 or 1/2 inch UNC threads and use all thread rod and use flatbar as the securing device.


I like your idea, I just know that I would have a hard time trying to lift 3/8" or 1/2" plate that weighs 490 lbs to 652 lbs for a 4' x 8' piece.

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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby grumpyvette » July 16th, 2013, 10:19 am

Indycars wrote:
I agree with the idea of being able to clamp something down as Indycars suggested, by why put the much construction into it. Instead why not make the table top as Grumpy originally started with, but lets go 1/8 thicker, using 1/2 thick and use studs to clamp down your work. Drill and tap multiple locations with say 7/16 or 1/2 inch UNC threads and use all thread rod and use flatbar as the securing device.


I like your idea, I just know that I would have a hard time trying to lift 3/8" or 1/2" plate that weighs 490 lbs to 652 lbs for a 4' x 8' piece.



while I agree thats a significant factor in most shops I moved a 2600 lb mill with the help of two engine cranes and several friends so I don,t think it will be a huge stumbling block to progress in this case
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Postby busterrm » July 16th, 2013, 7:10 pm

grumpyvette wrote:
Indycars wrote:
I agree with the idea of being able to clamp something down as Indycars suggested, by why put the much construction into it. Instead why not make the table top as Grumpy originally started with, but lets go 1/8 thicker, using 1/2 thick and use studs to clamp down your work. Drill and tap multiple locations with say 7/16 or 1/2 inch UNC threads and use all thread rod and use flatbar as the securing device.


I like your idea, I just know that I would have a hard time trying to lift 3/8" or 1/2" plate that weighs 490 lbs to 652 lbs for a 4' x 8' piece.



while I agree thats a significant factor in most shops I moved a 2600 lb mill with the help of two engine cranes and several friends so I don,t think it will be a huge stumbling block to progress in this case
To be honest I think 4x8 would be overkill. I think a 3 1/2 X 6 ft table would be plenty. That would bring the weight down to 321(3/8) and 428(1/2). Honestly, I think that would be plenty big. I know a guy that built a work table that size and put it on removable casters and it was just great according to him.
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Re: the more I look after this the more I want..

Postby grumpyvette » March 1st, 2014, 3:03 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OnF6_V28DM#t=16

here is a link too a rather interesting video of a custom built easily adjustable welding fixture clamp/table you can built from scrap car parts ETC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7rqJvzNKWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2OxtqUiug
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