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Postby grumpyvette » July 12th, 2011, 8:05 am

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=320809#ixzz1RnQtoYEe
It's no secret Obama and his cronies wanted to use the Guns for Thugs campaign to create a false bunch of selected DATA to point too, so they could pass tougher gun laws.
Is this why White House funded 'guns-to-drug-lords' scheme?
Misleading data target gun owners in scandal that could rock Obama
Posted: July 10, 2011
4:10 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
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Project Gunrunner, the controversial government program that runs guns into Mexico, under the Obama administration has contributed to fraudulent statistics seemingly targeting U.S. gun owners.


The misleading data raise questions about the intentions of Project Gunrunner, which some believe could be a defining scandal for the White House.

In February 2008, William Hoover, assistant director for field operations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified before Congress that over 90 percent of the firearms that have been recovered in or intercepted in transport to Mexico originated from various sources within the U.S.

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Hoover's statistics officially were released by the ATF and subsequently were cited in a flurry of news media pieces claiming the vast majority of illicit firearms in Mexico originate in the U.S.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office also used the ATF's 90 percent statistic in an official report to Congress about American firearms. The Justice Department even incorporated the data in several of its programs.

After a series of independent reports contradicted the ATF claims, however, the bureau then admitted in November 2010 that its 90 percent figure cited to Congress "could be misleading" because it applied only to the small portion of guns verified through its eTrace system, an Internet-based firearm database that Project Gunrunner was built around.

The ATF admitted its statistics were based on the guns it traced, all of which originated in the U.S., thus skewing the data.

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Project Gunrunner was first founded under President Bush as a bipartisan effort in 2005, when it had its inception as a pilot run by ATF in conjunction with the Justice Department and the FBI.

While the operation was run by a few dozen officers under Bush, it has since received an infusion of cash from the Obama administration, becoming a full-time project staffed by more than 200.

As WND reported, tucked away inside Obama's stimulus was $10 million in funding for the ATF's Project Gunrunner. This is in addition to $11 million already provided to the program under Obama, and another $12 million more requested by the White House for the end of this year.

Project Gunrunner is purportedly meant to stop the sale and export of U.S. guns to Mexico by denying Mexican drug cartels firearms. However, the project allegedly has resulted in allowing thousands of guns to cross into Mexico, where many of the weapons currently are untraceable and in the hands of Mexican criminals.

The same guns run into Mexico under the Project Gunrunner scheme reportedly have been recovered from crime scenes in Arizona and throughout Mexico.

One gun, reportedly recovered at the scene, is allegedly the weapon used to murder Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry on Dec. 14, 2010.

The entire project revolves around tracing the U.S. guns that are allowed into Mexico using the eTrace system. eTrace does not electronically tag any of the guns. It simply serves as an online database that contains all registered information for each gun, including the personal information for all registered owners as well as whether law enforcement has information the gun was ever used in a crime. In essence, eTrace is a giant firearms monitoring database.

Once a gun enters the black market, the system cannot provide future information on a firearm unless the weapon is retrieved in a crime or once again enters into official registration.

eTrace was thought to have been advantageous to Project Gunrunner because it could provide information on "straw purchases," meaning proxies who legally purchase a gun for a known criminal.

The ATF repeatedly has stated its tracing system was not designed to collect statistics. Still, the agency used information it claimed to have garnered from Project Gunrunner to release what turned out to be highly misleading information about U.S. guns.

Who will be held accountable?

Project Gunrunner and its various inceptions, including "Operation Fast and Furious," are coming under newfound scrutiny with a public investigation headed by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

Obama himself responded to the controversy in an interview with a Spanish-language television station in which he stated someone must take the fall.

"There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made. If that's the case, then we'll find out and we'll hold someone accountable," he told Univision TV.

Acting ATF director Kenneth Melson told Issa in an emergency meeting on July 4 when he first learned about Border Agent Terry's murder and the scheme he was "sick to my stomach."

Melson reportedly told Issa that those who ran the controversial project at the ATF were reassigned, but that he couldn't tell Congress the reason for the reassignments.

Issa followed up with a letter accusing the Justice Department, headed by Eric Holder, of obstructing his investigation.

"If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand," Issa wrote. "That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation."

In subsequent testimony before Issa's committee this past week, Holder stated under oath that he only learned about the gunrunning project "in the last few weeks."

However, BigGovernment.com found a 2009 speech by Holder on the Department of Justice's own website in which Holder boasts about "Project Gunrunner."

Stated Holder in 2009: "Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."

Read more: Is this why White House funded 'guns-to-drug-lords' scheme? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=320809#ixzz1RtgodSS6
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Postby Bobs85PU » July 12th, 2011, 9:55 am

Are we surprised???

This was the COMMUNIST'S "under the radar" plan for gun control!!!! CREATE A MAKE BELIEVE "CRISIS" IN ORDER TO ENACT MORE RESTRICTIVE GUN LAWS!!!
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Postby Randy_W » July 12th, 2011, 10:57 am

Just like printing more money then spending it helps create inflation and lowers the dollar's value, creating a monetary crises the government can exploit to gain more control. ;)
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Postby Eagle59 » July 12th, 2011, 1:30 pm

Randy_W wrote:Just like printing more money then spending it helps create inflation and lowers the dollar's value, creating a monetary crises the government can exploit to gain more control. ;)


Yeah, Randy, but think of the upside...we can pay off the national debt with only pennies on the inflated dollar!
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Postby Randy_W » July 12th, 2011, 6:30 pm

It's all sunshine and roses! :? :roll:
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Postby rlphvac » July 13th, 2011, 4:49 am

the messiah`s last word on this its Bushes fault :oops:
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Postby grumpyvette » July 20th, 2011, 1:55 pm

the whole argument liberals put forth is based on the silly idea that its the individual gun and not the guns operator thats dangerous.
I can easily prove statistically that theres far more people killed and injured by people driving cars using automatic transmissions, than those driving manual transmissions, but its a absurd argument, as with rifles,its the person operating the car, thats the determining factor in its use,the problem is not the type of transmission or how fast it shifts or how the firearm operates but the intent or negligence of the person operating either mechanical device.



ATF Chief Accuses Holder Aides of Stonewalling Congress
I get the feeling this guy doesn't want to be Obama's fall guy..

WASHINGTON -- The head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has admitted that his agency, in at least one instance, allowed sales of high-powered weapons without intercepting them -- and he accuses his superiors at the Justice Department of stonewalling Congress to protect political appointees in the scandal over those decisions.

Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson made the disclosures about the so-called Operation Fast and Furious in an interview with congressional investigators looking into the controversial anti-gunrunning initiative.

The operation was designed to track small-time gun buyers up to major weapons traffickers along the U.S. border with Mexico. Critics estimate that 1,800 guns targeted in the operation are unaccounted for, and about two-thirds of those probably are in Mexico.

Melson's acknowledgement is the first by any senior ATF leader that confirms some of the criticism that Republicans on Capitol Hill have been leveling at Fast and Furious. The objections have resulted in congressional hearings and an inquiry by the Justice Department's inspector general.

Rep. Darrell Issa of California and Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the two Republicans leading the charge in Congress against Fast and Furious, released a statement Monday noting Melson's testimony, along with a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder outlining their complaints.

The two lawmakers accuse Holder's department of "unsatisfactory responses and lack of cooperation" with the congressional probe, and Melson seemed to agree.

"It was very frustrating to all of us, and it appears thoroughly to us that the Department (of Justice) is really trying to figure out a way to push the information away from their political appointees at the department," Melson said in one quote highlighted by Issa and Grassley.

Melson is quoted as saying, "there were some mistakes made" in Fast and Furious by the ATF's Phoenix Field Division, but Melson said aides to Holder didn't want to admit those mistakes to Congress.

Melson spoke during closed-door questioning earlier this month by Senate and House investigators working for the two Republican lawmakers. Their letter to holder contained excerpts from Melson's testimony.

At a congressional hearing a month ago, three ATF agents said they were repeatedly ordered to step aside while gun buyers in Arizona walked away with AK-47s and other high-powered weaponry headed for Mexican drug cartels. So far, 20 small-time gun-buyers have been indicted, but the investigation is still under way.

Melson told the congressional investigators that after the criticism emerged he assigned a task force of agents to review the operation and he personally read all the operations' investigative reports that pertained to one defendant.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/18 ... z1SYQ7vQbu

"I read through those and found ROIs (reports of investigation) that indeed suggested that interdiction could have occurred, and probably should have occurred, but did not occur," Melson said.

Melson said the ATF gave the reports about the failure to interdict guns in that instance to Justice Department superiors "because to me that was a smoking gun" and "we really needed to look at the rest of this particular case."

Melson also provided some support for complaints by Grassley and Issa that the Justice Department has been slow in producing documents the lawmakers have demanded.

"I think they were doing more damage control than anything" at the Justice Department, Melson said, according to one of the excerpts in the letter from Grassley and Issa to Holder.

In his statements to congressional investigators, Melson also said he understood that some potential defendants in the investigation may not be indictable because they are working as informants with other government agencies. Melson said he raised the issue with the deputy attorney general and with the Justice Department's inspector general.
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Postby grumpyvette » July 21st, 2011, 1:07 pm

Operation Fast and Furious: The Straw Buyers
When the Operation Fast and Furious indictment was announced back in January, it was depicted as a big bust. Twenty suspects were charged with numerous counts of conspiracy, money laundering, gun running and drug trafficking. The defendants faced 5 to 20 years on a single count.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives(ATF) along with the U.S. Attorney’s office in Phoenix claimed to have dismantled a major weapons trafficking organization from top to bottom- from the end user of the weapons in Mexico to the money men, those who smuggled and transported the weapons from the U.S. into Mexico, and the buyers on our side of the border.

Yet after thousands of man hours and millions of dollars spent, only one of the 20 suspects remains behind bars. Most were released within 24 hours of their arrest. In the end, all prosecutors got was one middle man and a handful of straw buyers.

Fox News paid a visit to some of the straw buyers in the Phoenix Metro area last week. What we found were young men, many living with their parents, who were apparently just looking to make some quick money.

"A straw buyer is usually a kid who is 18-25, who needs a couple hundred extra bucks and knows somebody who knows somebody that has a way to make a couple extra bucks," said Adrian Fontes, an attorney for the accused ringleader of this Operation. His client, Manuel Celis- Acosta is the only one still in jail.

"The government wants a dramatic indictment, they want the conspiracy to sound like it's run out by highly sophisticated individuals who are involved with a particularly nefarious organization when the reality is it's just a bunch of kids," said Fontes.

Those "kids" purchased more than 1800 guns from stores in and around Phoenix. The straw buyers reportedly received about $100 per transaction. The gun stores say they were assured by the ATF and U.S. attorneys that the weapons would be tracked. Instead, agents say the weapons were allowed to "walk", they were not followed and many ended up in Mexico. Along with crime scenes south of the border, two were also found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Former U.S. Attorney Melvin McDonald says the defendants' release suggests that Operation Fast and Furious is not only a scandal, it was a failure.

" It's pretty scary," says McDonald. " You'd think a lot of people probably would not get out , they'd be detained because of the risk."

The parents of some of the straw buyers claim their sons just got caught up with the wrong crowd.

The mother of 18-year old Dejan Hercegovac, who bought more than 30 guns, said, "He didn't know anything.. he was just a kid."

The father of Erick Avila- Davila, a 25-year old who bought 12 guns, said he didn't know what his son was up to and only found out when he was arrested.

" When I ask him what he did, he just told me 'I'm sorry dad'."
IT WAS ALL A SCAM, COSTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, TO INFLATE SPECIFIC STATISTICS TO JUSTIFY INCREASED GUN RESTRICTION LAWS, AND INCREASED ATF FUNDING, BASED ON CAREFULLY MANUFACTURED FALSE STATISTICS
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Postby grumpyvette » July 22nd, 2011, 7:55 am

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/gra ... nd-furious

lying bastards are covering up facts as fast as possible

(CNSNews.com) – A senior Senate Republican has accused the Justice Department of a “cover-up” by limiting information to Congress about a botched gun running program along the southwest border.

“I think they’re trying to cover up now by not giving us all the information that we want,” Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told CNSNews.com.

“In regard to criminality, this is quite obvious there is criminal activity when our own government suggests our own laws ought to be broken,” he said. “Isn’t it just as criminal if we do that, as [it would be] if Chuck Grassley did it as a private citizen?”

Grassley is investigating a gun running operation led by the Phoenix division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and also involving the Drug Enforcement Administration and FBI.

“Operation Fast and Furious,” saw federal law enforcement officials knowingly allow guns to be sold to straw purchasers for the purpose of tracing the firearms, which included AK 47s assault rifles, to Mexican drug trafficking gangs.

The initiative began in September 2009, but was halted after two of the weapons were found at the scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder in December 2010. Although Operation Fast and Furious ended with the indictment of 20 straw purchasers, no-one from the drug cartels – the primary target of the program – was brought to justice.

The Justice Department assigned the Office of Inspector General to conduct an internal investigation into the affair.

Grassley told CNSNews.com that the Justice Department seemingly wanted to put an end to the matter by firing the ATF’s acting director, Kenneth Melson. However, Melson told congressional staff investigators on July 4 that senior Justice officials had discouraged ATF officials from discussing the matter with Congress and even with other ATF staff.

“We were thinking in terms that they were going to fire Melson,” Grassley said. “And I simply said that if they think letting one guy like that go is the solution to it, it can’t be, because we know that there’s a lot more people involved than Melson.”

“In fact, maybe after the questioning of Melson, we might find him less involved than a lot of other people,” he added

A Justice Department spokesperson did not respond to inquiries by phone or email over the past two weeks.

Grassley is working closely on the matter with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which will hold a second hearing on the matter next Tuesday. Both lawmakers have complained about the slow document production, excessive redaction in those documents that are produced, and alleged misinformation from the Justice Department.

On July 6, shortly after the Melson testimony was reported, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich sent a letter to Issa and Grassley denying any cover-up.

“Contrary to the suggestion in your letter, the Department of Justice has in no way sought to limit the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform’s appropriate access to information concerning Operation Fast and Furious,” Weich wrote.

“Rather, like you, the Department is deeply interested in understanding the facts surrounding Operation Fast and Furious. This is why the Attorney General several months ago asked the Department’s Inspector General to look into concerns raised about this operation and why the Department has and will continue to cooperate with that ongoing independent inquiry.”

When Grassley first inquired about the matter, in a Jan. 27 letter, Weich denied that the ATF had ever allowed guns to be sold and taken across the border.

“[T]he allegation described in your January 27 letter – that ATF ‘sanctioned’ or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them to Mexico – is false,” Weich wrote to Grassley in a Feb. 4 response.

During a hearing of the House oversight panel in June Issa pressed Weich about that letter. Weich replied, “Everything that we say is true to the best of our knowledge at the time we say it. As more facts come out, obviously our understanding of the situation is enhanced.”

After the first hearing last month CNSNews.com asked Issa whether he would say that the Justice Department had been covering up in the face of the congressional probe. “Yes I would,” Issa said, pointing both to Weich’s Feb. 4 letter to Grassley and the level of redaction of documents.

“There are two kinds of cover ups,” Issa said on June 17. “There is one in which you lie to people in order to mislead them. That letter represents that type of cover-up. There’s also the one in which you delay and deny in an attempt to simply not have the facts come out.

“Clearly they’ve done that with Sen. Grassley, first, and then with our committee, because some of the things that they redacted, we have the unredacted versions from whistleblowers,” he continued. “We believe they did excess redacting, which again is denying us that which would be reasonable to deliver us. We’re hoping that that’s changed. We hope that what was said yesterday, there is in fact a change in the administration’s view in order to not be embarrassed.”

In a July 18 letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, Issa and Grassley charged that the Justice Department had prevented Melson from communicating with Congress and even with his own staff.

The letter quoted Melson as telling congressional staff investigators that after Grassley’s initial inquiry into the matter, the ATF had wanted to cooperate with Congress.

The letter to Holder quoted Melson as telling the investigators, “[A]fter receiving [Senator Grassley’s initial] letter, our first instinct and intuition was to directly march over to Senator Grassley’s office and brief him on what Fast and Furious was for purposes of explaining the concept and the role it played and how it got there, and where ATF was going in it. And we expressed that desire to the [Deputy Attorney General’s] office.”

“I sat in the [the office of the Associate Deputy Attorney General with responsibility for ATF] one day when they were writing the letter to Senator Grassley about him being only a ranking member and not the chair of the committee,” Melson was further quoted a saying. “I sat there across the desk from him, as I recall, and said, this is really just poking [Senator Grassley] in the eye. What’s the sense of doing this? Even if you say you can’t give it to him, he’s going to get it through the back door anyway, why are we aggravating the situation?”

The letter goes on to quote Melson as saying, “Part of the problem, and one of the things that frustrates me was that I have not been allowed to communicate to the troops about anything. … Then after we wanted to do several things to talk to our people about what this case was about, and you know, where we were going and the fact that we are cooperating as much as we could with the committee and with the Department, but we were restrained from doing that.”
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Postby grumpyvette » July 22nd, 2011, 9:12 am

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45021


Kenneth Melson was supposed to be the fall guy, the sacrificial lamb, the guy thrown under the bus to protect President Obama. Melson was "expected" to resign. He refused.

Instead, Melson, acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has turned whistle-blower and all hell is about to explode over the operation dubbed by Obama's Justice Department "Fast and Furious" but now known as the Gunwalker scandal.

It looks like the Obama regime financed (partly with "stimulus" funds) an $80 million program to allow straw buyers to purchase hundreds of weapons from federally licensed gun shops in Southwest states, over the objection of the shop owners, and then allowed these weapons to "walk" across the Mexican border into the waiting arms of the murderous Mexican drug cartels.

At first, Justice Department spokesmen said it was a "sting gone wrong." Then, when many pointed out that the ATF had no jurisdiction to follow the guns across the border to make arrests, the cover story fell apart.

Melson has told congressional investigators that there is a "smoking gun" internal memo withheld from Congress indicating that "political appointees" (Obama's) in the Justice Department were involved. This memo and other documents are being withheld from Congress as part of a cover-up.

Melson has also told Congressional investigators that affidavits prepared by Justice Department lawyers to support wiretaps in the operation were "inconsistent" with public statements by Justice Department officials, meaning that the operation, it's existence at first denied by the Justice Department, was detailed months before to a court in sworn statements by the same Justice Department.

Attorney General Eric Holder testified at a congressional hearing in March 2011 that he had just learned of the Fast and Furious operation "a few weeks ago." However, Holder spoke at a joint Mexico-U.S. law enforcement conference in Mexico in April 2009, describing the operation and touting it as a way to combat the growing power of the Mexican drug cartels.

The explosive revelations continued. Melson told the investigators that during operation Fast and Furious, guns were bought by and sold to individuals connected with the Mexican cartels who were also paid informants for the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration. American taxpayers are funding all sides of this war.

When the Mexican government captured the third-ranking leader of the Los Zetas cartel, Jesus Enrique Rejon Aguilar , he bragged that the cartel's guns were bought in the U.S. and that all the cartels were buying guns from the U.S. government.

The Mexicans are furious about all this. The Mexican congress has opened an investigation under the assumption that Obama's operation was an act of war on Mexico. More than 200 Mexican law enforcement and military personnel have been killed in the last year by guns traced back to Gunwalker.

These guns, traced by serial number, have tragically also turned up at the scene of the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata by cartel gunmen.

The Mexican cartels get weapons from Mexican Army deserters, from leftist guerrilla groups in South America, and from international gun smugglers. Under Obama, they also got weapons from U.S. gun shops. We now know how this was done, in a story first told by CBS News. The question is why?

The answer fits a pattern described by then-Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel of never letting a crisis go to waste if it can advance the agenda.

The crisis was the civil war between the Mexican government and the drug cartels, with violence spilling over into American cities. Obama, Janet Napolitano , and even Hillary Clinton, blamed this border violence on the easy availability of guns in U.S. gun shops and gun shows along the border. The agenda was gun control. Gun control laws needed to be strengthened to protect the lives of innocent Mexicans and Americans.

When statistics designed to show the cartels were armed primarily from American sources were proven false, the crisis had to be goosed a little. Operation Fast and Furious became the funnel for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Despite all these revelations of Obama regime complicity in this gunrunning operation, the gun control agenda lives on.

Just last Monday, the Justice Department announced that all gun shops in four Southwest states will have to report to the ATF purchases of two or more of some types of rifles by the same person in a five-day span. With a straight face, a Justice Department spokesman described this as an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R.-Tex.) called this new requirement the "height of hypocrisy ... when the administration knowingly and intentionally allowed guns to be trafficked into Mexico." Smith concluded, "Limiting the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens is not going to solve the problem." Thank you Congressman Smith.

Congratulations Ken Melson. Thank you for telling the truth. Without you, the American people might believe that more gun control is the answer. With your statements, we now know that controlling the corruption of the Justice Department is the answer.

Isn't it time someone asked the age-old question, "What did the President know, and when did he know it?"
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EXCLUSIVE: In the latest chapter of the gunrunning scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, federal officials won't say how two suspects obtained more than 360 weapons despite criminal records that should have prevented them from buying even one gun.

Under current federal law, people with felony convictions are not permitted to buy weapons, and those with felony arrests are typically flagged while the FBI conducts a thorough background check.
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Suspected ‘Straw Buyers’ Helped Traffic Guns From Arizona to Mexico, Say Officials

ATF’s failed Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw buyers, or those who legally purchased guns and illegally sell them to a third party, to walk guns into Mexico. Here are some of the suspected buyers who bought hundreds of guns while under surveillance by the ATF.

However, according to court records reviewed by Fox News, two of the 20 defendants indicted in the Fast and Furious investigation have felony convictions and criminal backgrounds that experts say, at the very least, should have delayed them buying a single firearm. Instead, the duo bought dozens of guns on multiple occasions while federal officials watched on closed-circuit cameras.

Congressional and law-enforcement sources say the situation suggests the FBI, which operates the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, knowingly allowed the purchases to go forward after consulting with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which initiated Operation Fast and Furious.

Under the failed anti-gun trafficking program, straw buyers -- those who legally purchase guns and illegally sell them to a third party -- were allowed to buy guns, many of which were sold to Mexican drug cartel members and subsequently lost. Related to the case, the U.S. government in May charged Manuel Osorio-Arellanes with killing Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last year using a gun purchased through the program.

Court documents show the breakdown involves suspects Jacob Wayne Chambers, 21, and Sean Christopher Stewart, 28, both of Phoenix. Police arrested Chambers for felony burglary and trafficking stolen property in 2008, a year before he began buying more than 70 guns that ended up in the hands of the Sinaloa cartel. Stewart pled guilty to resisting arrest and criminal damage in 2001 and was arrested on drug charges in 2010. He was also charged with violating an order of protection and a local municipal court issued a warrant for his arrest. Stewart purchased 290 weapons.

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"You cannot sanction the violation of federal law by enabling or co-enabling prohibited persons, which includes felony convictions, from purchasing firearms," said Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., a former federal prosecutor and a member of the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee, which is investigating the botched ATF operation. Gowdy said he would discuss the apparent violation with committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

When asked about the breakdown, Stephen Fischer, a spokesman for the NICS System, said the FBI had no comment. However, an ATF agent who worked on the Fast and Furious investigation, told Fox News that NICS officials called the ATF in Phoenix whenever their suspects tried to buy a gun. That conversation typically led to a green light for the buyers, when it should have stopped them.

The apparent corruption of the system concerns Gowdy. "It is unconscionable and goes beyond just being a terribly ill-conceived investigation to bordering, if not crossing, into criminal activity," he said.

The investigation into why these men were able to purchase weapons and this sting operation gone wrong continues on Tuesday. The House Oversight Committee will hold a third hearing, focusing on what was happening on the other side of the border in Mexico.

The former and current ATF attachés to Mexico will testify that their agency never informed them of this operation.

Issa and his colleagues will also have their first opportunity to question ATF supervisors who have defended Operation Fast and Furious and the Justice Department's decisions to committee investigators.
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Postby grumpyvette » July 25th, 2011, 4:23 pm

Bank Financed Drug Gang Plans to Overthrow Mexican Government Next Year

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Last week, Carmen Álvarez Excelsior wrote a report for Salem-News.com claiming the notorious drug gang Los Zetas will attempt to overthrow the Mexican government next year using weapons sent by the United States.

Excelsior said the brutal gang uses an airport in Fort Worth, Texas, to fly the weapons into Mexico. Rejón Aguilar, one of the original seven members of Los Zetas who was recently captured by police, told Mexican officials the gang bought guns directly from the U.S. government under its Operation Fast and Furious.

Excelsior reported that military-grade weapons are also brought into the country through the El Paso-Ciudad Juarez and Palomas-Columbus border crossings.

“Many of the weapons have been stored in safe houses. I think Los Zetas are storing them for the upcoming elections of 2012,” said Robert Plumlee, a former CIA pilot who testified before Congress on drugs and weapons trafficking.

Phil Jordan, former director of the DEA in El Paso, corroborated the report. He said that the weapon stockpiles including anti-aircraft missiles are transported from a Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. The drug gang had set up front companies to buy weapons directly through a State Department program.

The items smuggled into the country from Fort Worth allegedly include grenades, grenade launchers, antiaircraft missiles, body armor, radios, GPS devices, night vision binoculars, and other items.

The Small Arms Survey of 2011 issued by the Institute for International and Development Studies in Switzerland reports that Mexico is the number one importer of RPG’s and “under-barrel” grenade launchers. Mexico imported 429 units followed by Latvia with 250.

According to the U.S. Border Patrol, Los Zetas has bought a number of properties on both sides of the border and use the locations as weapon stockpiles.

The plan by Los Zetas to overthrow the Mexican government was revealed in a report two weeks ago by the El Paso Times. Jordan and a former CIA pilot, Robert Plumlee, told the newspaper Los Zetas transported weapons to El Paso-Ciudad Juarez and the Columbus-Palomas border areas to reinforce their troops battling competing cartels and possibly disrupt the 2012 elections.

Mexico’s drug gangs are financed in part by international bankers. During a trial last year in U.S. federal court, it was discovered that Wachovia (now owned by Wells Fargo) bought planes that shipped cocaine.

The bank also laundered $378.4 billion in drug money.

“Wachovia’s blatant disregard for our banking laws gave international cocaine cartels a virtual carte blanche to finance their operations,” said Jeffrey Sloman, the federal prosecutor in charge of the Wachovia case.

In 2009, the director of the United Nations’ crime and drug watchdog group, Antonio Maria Costa, said in an interview released by Austrian weekly Profil that money made in the illicit drug trade was used to keep banks afloat during the global financial crisis. Costra’s unit found evidence that “interbank loans were funded by money that originated from drug trade and other illegal activities.”

In addition to smuggling guns into Mexico, the U.S. government has worked closely with the drug cartels for years.

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According to court papers filed with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago, the son of a top-level Mexican drug kingpin worked for the U.S. government. Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, the son of Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada Garcia, one of the top kingpins of the Sinaloa drug-trafficking organization, worked as an asset for the United States.

Niebla is connected to the Gulfstream II jet that wrecked with four tons of cocaine on board on September 24, 2007. European investigators linked the plane’s tail number, N987SA, to past CIA “rendition” operations. The bill of sale for the Gulfstream jet, sold weeks before it crashed, listed the name of Greg Smith, a pilot who had previously worked for the FBI, DEA and CIA.
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Postby grumpyvette » July 26th, 2011, 1:00 pm

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... testimony/

more and more corruption, more lies and intimidation


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/ ... 3T20110726

more crime the ATF was partly responsible for


Guns from U.S. sting at Mexican crime scenes: report
(Reuters) - At least 122 firearms from a botched U.S. undercover operation have been found at crime scenes in Mexico or intercepted en route to drug cartels there, according to a Republican congressional report being issued on Tuesday.

Mexican authorities found AK-47 assault rifles, powerful .50 caliber rifles and other weapons in late 2009 that were later linked to the U.S. sting operation to trace weapons going across the border to Mexico, the report said.

Guns from the program, dubbed "Operation Fast and Furious," also were found at the scene of the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in the border state Arizona last December. It is not clear if they were the weapons responsible for his death.

The sting has become an embarrassment for the Obama administration and its Justice Department, rather than a victory in cracking down on the illegal flow of drugs and weapons to and from Mexico.

It has also hurt ties with Mexico, which has been battling the violent cartels in a war in which thousands have died.

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and federal prosecutors had hoped the sting would help them track gun buyers reselling weapons to cartels. But U.S. agents did not follow the guns after the initial purchaser re-sold them.

The House of Representatives Oversight Committee, led by Republican Darrell Issa, and the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Charles Grassley, have been investigating the sting and will issue the report Tuesday.

Their investigators say at least 122 firearms bought by suspected gun traffickers were found at Mexican crime scenes or caught going to the cartels.

Of the 2,000 weapons sold to the suspected gun traffickers, just over half remain unaccounted for, the report added. The Justice Department said that the ATF was not aware of the majority of those gun sales when they occurred.

"Given the vast amount of 'Operation Fast and Furious' weapons possibly still in the hands of cartel members, law enforcement officials should expect more seizures and recoveries at crime scenes," said the congressional report.

The independent watchdog at the Justice Department is also conducting its own investigation of the sting operation.

The Justice Department said it could only confirm 96 guns recovered in Mexico were tied to suspects being tracked in the operation, but it said that ATF did not have complete information on how many were recovered at crime scenes there.

The agency said another 274 weapons were recovered in the United States and, so far, about a dozen were found at U.S. crime scenes, according to information given to Grassley obtained by Reuters.

Soon after the sting began, Mexican authorities arrested a young woman with 41 AK-47s and a Beowulf .50 caliber rifle that were bought the previous day by a so-called straw buyer, or somebody buying a weapon for somebody else.

She told police she was taking them to the Sinaloa drug cartel, the congressional report said.

During a May, 2001 raid by Mexican federal police on the La Familia drug cartel, in which 11 members of the group were killed and 36 were captured, some of the more than 70 weapons recovered at the scene were traced back to the U.S. sting, according to the congressional report.

Issa's committee will hold a hearing later Tuesday with current and former ATF officials including those who worked in the U.S. embassy in Mexico who complained that they were kept largely out of the loop about the scope of the operation.
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Using the very violence they claim to be trying to prevent in order to advance they're political agenda. You have to love liberals! :roll:
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Randy_W wrote:Using the very violence they claim to be trying to prevent in order to advance they're political agenda. You have to love liberals! :roll:

hanging around liberals and using their" logic"makes you think bathing in a septic tank would get you cleaner
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Chuck Norris on Obama Smuggling Guns and Registering Yours
President Barack Obama wants you to believe that America's Founding Fathers were in error when they gave citizens the right to bear arms.

The Obama administration and even its Mexican counterpart have manipulated public opinion to believe that the cartel drug wars are being fueled largely by American guns. In support of that spin, they are trying to impose a new regulation that requires licensed firearms dealers in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California to report to the federal government whenever someone buys from them more than one semiautomatic rifle with certain characteristics.

Obama's Department of Justice essentially is amending the Second Amendment by changing the rules for gun sales in border states. While working under the guise of stopping illegal contraband and fighting drug cartels, the White House in reality is further imposing its gun control agenda on the American public through back-door rule-making. This is just one more example of the feds exceeding their powers and avoiding congressional permission. It is also another showing of complete disregard for the Constitution.

Based upon those illegalities, Wayne LaPierre -- my friend and the CEO of the National Rifle Association -- disclosed on Fox News recently that the NRA filed a lawsuit against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to issue an injunction barring enforcement of the rule. And with NRA support, the U.S. House has voted to withhold funding for the enforcement of the new regulation.

As LaPierre wrote in his weekly commentary last week, "the cartels run a $40 billion enterprise ... but the (Obama) administration wants the public to believe that it's going to disarm cartels with a form? Who is the president kidding?"

Doesn't Obama know that restricting the right to bear arms primarily ties the hands of good guys while the bad guys purchase them from a host of illegal sources? And what part of "shall not be infringed" in the Second Amendment do the feds not understand?

Attorney General Eric Holder said the Justice Department will "vigorously oppose" the NRA lawsuit.

The fact is, as LaPierre points out, that cartels get their machine guns, grenades, missile launchers and tanks from Central America, South America, Russia, China, international black markets and defectors of the Mexican army. State Department cables, released by WikiLeaks, support that fact.

On the one hand, Fox News reported that in 2009-10, more than 20,000 guns recovered in Mexico came from U.S. manufacturers. On the other hand, 75 percent of guns submitted to the U.S. could not be traced to a licensed gun store. But there is one place to which more than 2,000 crime guns could be traced: the federal government.
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