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obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » May 28th, 2012, 9:30 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/ ... Q920091015

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http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/ ... 5#50208495

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5To0r5y93mA

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50

yes the articles a few years old, but its shows obamas true intentions

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.


We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).


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Re: obama sets up basis for fiream confiscation

Postby grumpyvette » May 28th, 2012, 9:58 am

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

DICTATORS CONTROL BY FEAR, THEY CAN,T SLAUGHTER MILLIONS, THAT OPPOSE THEIR ORDERS , THAT ARE ARMED, so they ALWAYS DISARM THE GULLIBLE, AND TRUSTING FIRST,UNDER THE PRETEXT OF CRIME CONTROL

Disastrous Results of Gun Control

GUN CONTROLS AND RESULTS:

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were Rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
Million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and Exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a
Total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves Were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million Political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and Exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and Exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and Exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one
Million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded Up and exterminated.
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Defenceless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century Because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced By new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by Their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more Than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide,
Assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
Criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in Armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in The past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey Is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of The ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how Public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense Was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians Disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, Gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they Knew most Americans were ARMED!

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » July 6th, 2012, 12:21 pm

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » July 23rd, 2012, 5:59 pm

> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on
> Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to
> regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus,
> a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.
>
> The decision, announced in a statement released by the
> U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former
> President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed
> such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.
>
> On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban
> All Firearms in the United States. The Obama
> administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban
> on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of
> international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international
> treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US
> State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in
> Congress. Once the US Government signs these international
> treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws
> created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been
> developed and promoted by organizations such as the United
> Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael
> Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the
> complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.
>
> The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics
> and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our
> 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.
> Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not
> intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that
> will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy,
> his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to
> international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that
> mean Obama is telling the truth?
>
> Obama and the truth have never met.
> He is the most consummate liar there is.
>
> What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control
> debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake
> up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty
> that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to
> the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the
> US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm
> ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and
> find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens
> to deliver any firearm they own to the local government
> collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.
>
> This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government
> health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration
> through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.
>
> Please forward this message to others who may be concerned
> about the direction in which our country is
> headed.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » July 29th, 2012, 10:23 am


SOME GREAT NEWS FOR A CHANGE!




U.N. ATT Conference Comes to an Impasse

The Conference on the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (U.N. ATT) has broken down and will not report a draft treaty to the member nations.

This is a big victory for American gun owners, and the NRA is being widely credited for killing the U.N. ATT.

For nearly 20 years, the NRA has worked tirelessly to warn American gun owners about the United Nations’ efforts to undermine the constitutional rights of law-abiding American gun owners by putting in place international controls on small arms.

NRA became a recognized Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) and has monitored all U.N. activities that could impact on our Second Amendment rights. As a result, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre testified before the U.N. (2012 remarks, 2011 remarks) making it clear that the NRA would fight any international treaty that included civilian arms.

NRA worked with our allies in the U.S. Congress and successfully assembled strong bipartisan opposition to any treaty that adversely impacts the Second Amendment. On two occasions NRA was successful in convincing a majority of the U.S. Senate to sign letters to President Obama that made it clear that any treaty that included civilian arms was not going to be ratified by the U.S. Senate.

Yesterday (July 26), Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) gathered the signatures of 51 Senators on a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton opposing any treaty that infringes on our rights.


btw for those few that have not been paying attention this was one more in a long list of nearly constant and nearly endless tries by the U.N. to restrict and eventually destroy U.S.A. sovereignty and effectively destroy the ability of civilians world wide to posses small arms, by enacting laws , treaties and out right lying about the U.N. goals to become a one world government

naturally the liberal left see this a a huge defeat
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby 87vette81big » August 12th, 2012, 10:06 pm

Keep us posted Grumpy.

We are powerless once Gun control is in place in the USA as Obama intends to complete.

I never knew how many people perished because other governments around the world of the past 100 years enacted gun control bans on all its citizens.
Also never knew all Australian Citizens ARE UNARMED NOW. OF COURSE NO CRIMINALS WILL GIVE UP THEIR GUNS. ALL AUSSIE CITIZENS ARE NOW HUNTING PREY.


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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » September 29th, 2012, 4:06 pm

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » October 5th, 2012, 11:49 am

http://www.examiner.com/article/democra ... urity-bill

gun control is not about reducing crime its about INCREASING GOVERMENT CONTROL, AND DEPENDENCE ON GOVERNMENT
Senate Democrats slipped in a gun control amendment to a cybersecurity bill Friday, claiming that it is time to impose "reasonable gun control measures," according to The Hill.

The cybersecurity bill has advanced to the stage in the process when amendments can be attached. Amendments to bills often have nothing to do with the issue being addressed in the bill itself.

Senators Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., Bob Menendez, D-N.J., and Jack Reed, D-R.I., sponsored bill S.A. 2575 which would make it illegal to possess or transfer large capacity magazines, belts, feed stripes, or drums holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

Schumer has been one of the most ardent proponents of gun control in the U.S. Senate, along with Lautenberg and Feinstein.

Anticipating the heated opposition the amendment will encounter from Republicans and gun rights activists, Schumer claimed that both sides can find "common ground." Said Schumer,

The basic complaint is that the Chuck Schumers of the world want to take away your guns. I think it would be smart for those of us who want rational gun control to make it know that that’s not true at all.

But gun rights activists have not suggested that Senate Democrats proposed the repeal of the Second Amendment. The problem, say pro-gun groups, is that politicians such as Schumer gradually render the Second Amendment null and void not by repealing it but by passing a series of laws over a period of time that have the effect of violating the specific wording of the Amendment, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Gun rights groups such as Gun Owners of America, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and the NRA have stated that each time politicians pass gun control laws, they infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms -- a direct violation of the Second Amendment.


For example, why should citizens who have never committed a crime be deprived of using magazines that fire more than 10 rounds? If criminals can get their hands on such devices, which they do each day on the streets illegally, then preventing average citizens from purchasing them legally only strengthens the hand of dangerous persons who intend to do harm to others.

Thus, the Second Amendment can be rendered useless by loading it up with various restrictions and limitations passed by Congress that have the effect of nullifying the Amendment without repealing it.

Despite their claims that they would not do so, Democrats have jumped at the chance to implement more gun control in the wake of the Colorado shooting last Friday.

President Obama also waded into the waters of the controversial issue when he stated Wednesday in a campaign speech that only soldiers need to have semi-automatic high capacity firearms rather than criminals.

But the overwhelming majority of persons who own semi-automatic weapons are not criminals but average citizens who bought them legally and use them responsibly. The laws that are already on the books prevent criminals from purchasing these and other weapons, meaning that they get them from the black market on the street.

Thus, why would an American president wish to punish average citizens by banning them from owning such guns, when criminals are going to get them anyway through illegal means?

Although the Senate will more than likely pass the gun ban amendment to the cybersecurity bill next week, the measure will be dead on arrival in the House where Republicans hold the majority.

Most House Republicans strongly oppose gun control measures, and most are fully aware that citizens are in no mood for more gun control, given that firearms and ammo sales have skyrocketed in recent years, especially after the Colorado shooting.

Democrats still hold a 53-47 seat majority in the Senate.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby busterrm » October 20th, 2012, 12:37 am

Well here's my take on it: They will get my guns when the pry my cold dead hands off of it! I said that in the Clinton era and I will say it now.
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school shooting

Postby grumpyvette » December 14th, 2012, 3:04 pm

THERES BEEN A NUT CASE SHOOTING KIDS IN CONNECTICUT!

anyone that doesn,t find the act of some idiot gunning down children very disturbing is obviously insane in my opinion,
but I find the timing and obamas pushing for greatly increased gun confiscation also suspect.
I can,t help but think back in history of HITLER burning the reichstag to use as an excuse to seize dictatorial power, I sure hope thats a crazy idea! but remember OBAMA AND HOLDER already deliberately and intentionally allowed thousands of guns to reach the Mexican drug cartels, hoping to justify restrictions on fire arms
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/r ... /burns.htm

Im sure the libs will push for some confiscation and limiting fire arms access, TOTALLY IGNORING THE FACT that a 20 year old could already not legally purchase or own most of those guns in Connecticut

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... -shooting/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 00831.html

BTW AMERICAS NOT THE ONLY PLACE WITH NUT CASES


http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china- ... 2318.story






http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/01/a ... ck-in.html

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=365

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 15th, 2012, 10:29 am

Take down the gun free zone signs on the schools malls and stores.
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Gun friendly zone Guess who has one
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A single bullet from an armed teacher or security guard on premises would have saved over 20 lives. Wake up!
normal people don,t do things like this, and if anyone intent on doing evil wants to they will find a way, , a bomb or poison gas, or just driving a truck at high speed thru a crowd, theres always some way to commit evil acts, but if the potential victim's can effectively fight back you limit the extent of damage evil people can do.

anti firearm liberals...who want to disarm the public even more...making us ALL, all the more exposed and relying on 'the government' for our protection..And the current administration policy is to never waste a crisis, just seems all to tailor made to the media, liberal agenda.

when are these gun control morons going to wake up , to the facts , it was their gun law, and a lack of the ability of the victims to defend them selves that was partly to blame for the extent of loss of life.. its called gun free school zone but all that did was stop a law abiding sane person from carrying their gun, so they had the means to stop this monster.
but IM sure all the liberal gun grabbers will be screaming, please do not bring common sense into this.

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Postby DorianL » December 15th, 2012, 10:59 am

Hm. Consider Belgium.

Gun control here is ridiculously tight.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-23/worl ... s=PM:WORLD

The only reason he didn't kill more was out of sheer incompetence.

Almost to the day last year:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-14/worl ... =PM:EUROPE

Again guns are tightly controlled here.

Tiny, quiet nearly gun-free Belgium.

Disarming everyone is not the solution.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 15th, 2012, 3:39 pm

OLD-GTO posted this"Blaming guns, or the availability of guns, is like blaming automobiles for drunk drivers.

People will commit acts of violence on others with knives, clubs, or even their bare hands if they were intent on hurting others. The Bible tells of Cain & Able, brother killing brother with a stone. Watch the movie "Braveheart" with Mel Gibson... the story of the Scottish & English battles. Count the deaths & injuries, then tell me how many involved a gun. History tells of hatred and violent wars LONG before guns were ever even INVENTED!
Every time some whacko goes off, the anti gun crowd starts crying that banning guns will stop it all. NOTHING could be farther from the truth. The fact is that criminals DO NOT abide by laws. "
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby Michael » December 15th, 2012, 3:50 pm

It's crucial to realize that the present tragedy, while grave and revolting, is small in magnitude when taken in context. There are some 15,000 murders in the US annually, and of those, a very very few involve a crazed gunman committing mass murder. The great majority of murders are individual. The same applies to terrorist acts. 9/11 will be remembered for centuries as a horrendous incidence of evil, but even the murder of 3000 is very small compared to the annual body-count from warfare, bombings, executions and the like worldwide.

So while the Left will quickly exploit this incident to agitate for abrogation of gun rights, the Right is not immune; remember the PATRIOT act as our response to terrorism? Every time that a sensational horror visits us, one or another end of the political spectrum will exploit the crisis to further their own ends, which generally mean limiting the rights and resources of various groups of people to do various things.

Modernity gives us many wonderful tools - and some of those tools can be co-opted for nefarious means. Airplanes can be used as missiles, or fertilizer to make bombs. That such abuses are possible is no excuse to institute draconian restrictions on how we use fertilizer or airplanes, yet that's exactly what happened to air travel, and may eventually happen with guns.

The price of liberty isn't merely vigilance, but the realization that you just might get killed. That's just a part of life. I'll take that risk.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 16th, 2012, 11:19 am

the second amendment has ZERO TO DO WITH HUNTING
its about maintaining a balance, of power, that prevents the government from absolute control over the PEOPLE LIVES, by giving them the tools to resist an oppressive government if forced too.!

The second amendment exists because the American founders, and the American people as a whole, recognized that the right to defend one's self, one's family, and one's property is a fundamental human right. A person does not need the government's permission to defend themselves, and it is immoral for the government to hinder them in that regard. The founders did not delineate between the need for self-defense against criminal elements or government, and used both as examples for why American citizens needed to retain personal firearms.

That there are those today, in and out of government, who desire to disarm law-abiding citizens demonstrates the wisdom of including the second amendment among the personal rights and privileges that are enumerated to citizens of the United States by the Constitution.

If a drunk driver caused the death of 20 children on a school bus, would it be reasonable to ban cars? Or maybe just the kind of car he happened to be driving that day? Cause if there were no more cars we wouldn't have to worry about any more deaths due to drunk driving. Does taking a person's drivers licensee away from them stop them from getting behind the wheel and driving drunk? Has gun legislation ever stopped the bad guys from getting guns?

LIBERALS HATE THIS BECAUSE ITS PREVENTING ABSOLUTE GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE!

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http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond ... dment.html

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

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