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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 17th, 2012, 3:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmVSDOLwXgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLgO4wo4xI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RDWltHxRc


looks like the media is lying on some points, it looks like , at least by the reports, the media posted, the shooter had but never used a rifle and did all the shooting with hand guns yet the media constantly refers to "assault rifles" yet in this case it was never used on that location....but that obviously doesn,t help the media agenda to confiscate military style rifles. even if he did use the rifle the media is constantly lying

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 17th, 2012, 8:38 pm


Never has there been a more poignant and appropriate time for discussion about gun laws than right now. The tragedy in Newtown, closely following the mall shooting in Utah, the theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado and others going back to Columbine, Virginia Tech, and even Luby's Restaurant in Texas. All of them have something in common, and it is time that we have an open discussion around it: all of these massacres took place in posted no-weapon zones, also commonly known as CPZ's or Criminal Protection Zones.

Murderers, whatever their reason for committing it, have shown that they are looking for maximum body count with minimum likelihood of resistance. That is why they attack soft targets such as these. They know that most people are law-abiding citizens that disarm when posted. You cannot legislate compliance with the law, and you cannot legislate morality. You need to look no further than Washington DC and Chicago to see how "effective" gun control laws are.

It is time we stop blaming the tool - in this case the gun - and start blaming the person using the tool. Just last week in China, a person brutally stabbed over 20 people, and China has the audacity to lecture us on guns? Timothy McVeigh killed a great many people using fertilizer, fuel, and a Ryder truck. Where is the call to outlaw them? Every year, auto accidents kill far more people than guns do, many of them caused by distracted drivers. Where is the call to outlaw hot coffee, eye makeup, and cell phones?

The discussion that we need to have is one that centers around CHL licensees with expanded rights on where they may legally carry. Criminals shouldn't be emboldened by entering a posted CPZ. They should shudder at the thought that there may be someone waiting for them in that area who will repel their violence. Citizens should not get a false sense of security by a no-carry sign posted on a door, thinking that they are safe from criminals and murderers. They should realize that even moreso they are making a dangerous decision because law-abiding CHL licensees will not carry in those confines. And if a CHL licensee isn't there to protect themselves, the regular citizen can't be a recipient of that safety by proximity.

Never in the history of the United States has there been a greater need for personal responibility and accountability. We must all be responsible for our own safety, and for the safety of those in our care. To even consider making more restrictive gun laws does nothing but tip the scales in the favor of criminals. I ask that you use common sense and not seek to score political points.


...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Very simple language.

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 18th, 2012, 5:31 pm

there are those that say the founding fathers could never have for seen the current weapons so the 2nd amendment should no longer hold!


the founding fathers were well aware that there had always been and would continue to be advancements in weaponry, in the days of the founding fathers wrote the constitution, the civilian arms were if anything BETTER and MORE deadly that the standard issue military muskets , the founding fathers clearly wanted the government to NEVER have so much of an advantage in power that they could ignore the wishes of the people.

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 20th, 2012, 3:39 pm

the silly IDEA that changing magazine capacity or that the time between magazine changes in a pistol or a rifle is going to significantly reduce or limit the firearms ability to kill is ludicrous, anyone whos willing to master any weapon can get amazingly effective

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUJGBquGGg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcwbvt67dbg

that GUARDIAN PROGRAM, where they give several teachers in each school , who already have a concealed carry license and a desire to help protect the schools, some extra training and permission to carry, and the option to do so, if they choose too, could and probably should be the way to go.
its both very cost effective and doesn,t allow the potential perpetrators of violence to isolate or target a specific target like a uniformed cop on the schools premiss might present to allow the lunatics, that want to do these acts , after disposing of a known and easily located barrier to completing the mass shooting, the simple fact that theres potentially several people on each campus over an above any uniformed protection presents a huge problem for these nut cases, rather like a mine field, they don,t know where or when they will be shot or by whom, but they would have a far larger deterrent than in a current ,GUN FREE ZONE where they are sure the potential victims, can,t offer effective resistance.
normal people don,t go around killing kids its the very few insane members of society that cause the problem.
you can,t remove the potential victims ability to defend therm selves and expect that to help.
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A single bullet from an armed teacher or security guard on premises would have saved over 20 lives. Wake up!
normal people don,t do things like this, and if anyone intent on doing evil wants to they will find a way, , a bomb or poison gas, or just driving a truck at high speed thru a crowd, theres always some way to commit evil acts, but if the potential victim's can effectively fight back you limit the extent of damage evil people can do.
anti firearm liberals...who want to disarm the public even more...making us ALL, all the more exposed and relying on 'the government' for our protection..And the current administration policy is to never waste a crisis, just seems all to tailor made to the media, liberal agenda.

when are these gun control proponents going to wake up , to the facts , it was their gun law, and a lack of the ability of the victims to defend them selves that was partly to blame for the extent of loss of life.. its called gun free school zone but all that did was stop a law abiding sane person from carrying their gun, so they had the means to stop this monster.
but IM sure all the liberal gun grabbers will be screaming, please do not bring common sense into this.

the whole argument liberals put forth is based on the silly idea that its the individual gun and not the guns operator thats dangerous.
I can easily prove statistically that theres far more people killed and injured by people driving cars using automatic transmissions, than those driving manual transmissions, but its a absurd argument, as with rifles,its the person operating the car, thats the determining factor in its use,the problem is not the type of transmission or how fast it shifts or how the firearm operates but the intent or negligence of the person operating either mechanical device.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 20th, 2012, 10:22 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... jH0#t=274s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 67dbg#t=0s

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=F5 ... e=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ELyG9V1SY

READ THRU THESE

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0o7YgiT ... r_embedded

the whole argument liberals put forth is based on the silly idea that its the individual gun and not the guns operator thats dangerous.
I can easily prove statistically that theres far more people killed and injured by people driving cars using automatic transmissions, than those driving manual transmissions, but its a absurd argument, as with rifles,its the person operating the car, thats the determining factor in its use,the problem is not the type of transmission or how fast it shifts or how the firearm operates but the intent or negligence of the person operating either mechanical device.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 26th, 2012, 8:43 am

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/ ... 5#50208495

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXY ... r_embedded

media forced to admit an assault rifle was NEVER USED in the Connecticut school massacre , he had one but it was left in the trunk of the car, and not used in the shootings.
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby mathd » December 26th, 2012, 9:38 am

thats about time
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » December 26th, 2012, 11:30 am

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » February 13th, 2013, 12:43 pm

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » March 23rd, 2013, 1:52 pm

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/s ... rms-treaty


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Senate votes 53-46 to stop US from joining UN Arms Trade Treaty


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... 0091#state

this is absolutely scary that theres 46 politicians that want to turn over this country's sovereignty to U.N. CONTROL .
I think we need 46 people convicted of TREASON, heres the LISTED TRAITORS WHO VOTED NAY
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » April 1st, 2013, 10:58 am

http://www.guns.com/2013/04/01/un-arms- ... and-older/

UN Arms Trade Treaty Calls for Disarmament of Persons 55 and Older


THERES LITTLE QUESTION THE DEMS ARE INSANE!
and THE U.N. wants TOTAL GLOBAL CONTROL AT THE COST OF ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby DorianL » May 29th, 2013, 6:51 am

(Ummm, not to highjack but... what? More are killed in automatics than manual? is that per capita???? And why???)
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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby DorianL » May 29th, 2013, 6:59 am

grumpyvette wrote:http://www.guns.com/2013/04/01/un-arms-trade-treaty-calls-for-disarmament-of-persons-55-and-older/

UN Arms Trade Treaty Calls for Disarmament of Persons 55 and Older


THERES LITTLE QUESTION THE DEMS ARE INSANE!
and THE U.N. wants TOTAL GLOBAL CONTROL AT THE COST OF ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS



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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

Postby grumpyvette » November 4th, 2013, 9:05 pm

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Re: obama to set up basis for fiream confiscation via treaty

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