selecting a good self defence handgun



Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » August 1st, 2012, 9:43 pm

personally I think GLOCK is missing the boat by not offering a 10mm in a long slide version with a 6.375" barrel/slide assembly
that and a bit more robust slide to frame strength, would be a really nice combo for hunting and self defense where concealment was of little concern like the military that way you could easily push a 165 grain bullet to 1400 fps which would allow 700 ft lbs plus of muzzle thump at decent pressure and a long enough site radias for easy hits out past 50 yards, sort of a long slide glock 20 with a 15 cartridge capacity sure would in my opinion beat that berreta 9mm as a defensive handgun, and the longer heavier slide would reduce felt recoil a bit for the few that can,t handle the glock 20
a custom combo shoulder stock holster would be nice like the military high powers had

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Ive found that ammo makes a huge difference in a glock 20 accuracy
Ive also found the better aftermarket 6" barrels DO aid accuracy, and BLUE DOT powder and a 180 grain seem to be a sweet combo in my pistol

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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » March 21st, 2013, 9:06 am

I got asked if , carrying a small revolver or pocket pistol as a defensive weapon choice was, really a good idea,or would a larger caliber be far better?, the questioner, was convinced that because most confrontations would be at point blank ranges of under 10 feet statistically, there would be little point in worrying about accuracy and he could always fire several times""

Id point out that your Questions dealing with two separate sub-questions, ACCURACY and EFFECTIVE RANGE or how far away the pistol will still remain effective at dropping an opponent.
well if hes more than a few yards away youll have legal issues about whether he was really a mortal threat requiring you to shoot!
And I,d point out that the longer the site radias is the easier it is to accurately aim a pistol but even short barrel pistols can be accurate, so while your small defensive pistol might be easily able to place 5 shots in a 2" circle at 25 yards off a good bench rest hold, your never going to be able to do that off hand with most smaller pistols and the common crappy sights. and I doubt youll have a valid threat over 7 yards distance.
ID be mostly concerned with my ability to stop a violent opponent at under 20 feet, and I doubt youll get several well placed shots
you also want to remember you might only get a second or two to defend yourself and might only get one or two shots off, you generally won,t be selecting the time or place or conditions, and your opponent will try to use every advantage he or THEY CAN, theres no way you can assume a single opponent.
now the question becomes, can you reasonably expect to stop an opponent with a single or only a few randomly placed center mass hits?
the best advice Ive heard and what Ive tried to follow is "don,t carry anything you would be very hesitant trust your life too in a gun fight"
or put a different way, if you knew you would be involved in a confrontation involving you either killing an opponent or him killing you,in the next two months, would you still select your current carry fire arm?
chances are excellent, that most of the guys that carry 32 and 380 , and 38 caliber pocket pistols would want to upgrade , to a 357, 40, or 45 caliber and a pistol with a bit longer more accurate reach with a bit more authority
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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » August 17th, 2014, 7:19 pm

I was asked by my brother-in-law to go with him to a local gun show today , he had the idea he needed a new concealed carry pistol and he decided it had to have a built in lazer pointer .
now personally Im not 100% convinced a lazer pointer sight system, built into a small concealable hand guns, the ideal accessory but I can see where it has some value under some conditions.
he looked at dozens of options and decided on this pistol below
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http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ ... rrorView_Y

its very small and easily concealed and light weight, but its a 380 acp with a 6 shot magazine, while its very true that under most conditions ranges will be very short and a 380 acp can deliver a fatal wound its a bit too small for my taste and Id have a very hard time feeling secure with that pistol and caliber as a primary defensive weapon.
he did get it at a discount $350 but I'm going to be interested to see its accuracy potential, and ease of operation.


one other friend purchased one of these pistols for $490 , which when I compare the two, similar concealable hand guns I feel was the better choice,
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but Ill stick with the full size glock 20 Ive carried for years, yes the barrel alone is longer than the small guns , but Ive never felt it was difficult to carry or conceal

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look at this chart
380 acp==roughly 200 ft lbs most loads--roughly 8" of penetration in ballistic gel with hollow point 90 grain bullet at about 1000fps

9mm para==roughly 400-450 ft lbs best loads---roughly 14" of penetration in ballistic gel with hollow point 115 grain bullet at about 1300fps

10mm==roughly 650 -750ft lbs better loads --roughly 15" of penetration in ballistic gel with hollow point bullet 150grain at about 1450fps


BTW THESE GUYS SELL EXCELLENT DEFENSIVE AMMO
http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php? ... y&path=126
http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby philly » August 17th, 2014, 10:59 pm

i can attest that globally 9mm is probably the most plentiful pistol cartridge and that makes it very cheap to shoot... the gun doesn do the shooting, you do, so being ale to fork over the funds required to stay proficient with the gun you carry every day is very important! i will have to go back to 9mm soon as my supply of .40 is going to dry out soon. going back to 9mm puts that XDS square in the center of my focus, as ive often had to come up with creative ways of concealing my px4 storm under my usual attire (which as you know is not big tropical shirts)

another thing grumpy youre a big frame guy, i dont know how confidently you could hold one of those little pocket pistols just for the sake of you having a large hand. my little girly hands even have a tough time getting a fast and confident purchase on the smaller 380 pocket guns and micro pistols so i understand completely about your reservations on the issue.
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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby philly » August 17th, 2014, 11:06 pm

also worth lookinginto for those of you that have never used one before... i highly recommend these guys for holsters... most comfortable IWB ive ever used. and they have appendix carry designs that make my carry style comfortable and easy.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/AppendixCarry.aspx
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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » October 16th, 2014, 12:22 pm

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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » November 7th, 2014, 11:44 am

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179213/six-a ... safer.aspx

I found this link and survey info rather interesting,keep in mind when they ask if YOU OR YOUR HOME CONTAINS A FIREARM, I think that most people REGARDLESS OF THE TRUTH will currently say NO! NOW, to that poll question if asked! simply , because they don,t want to go on record as owning one due too worry's about confiscation or some BS registration laws
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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » December 1st, 2014, 12:10 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbXdpjSM5jQ

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WATCH THE VIDEOS
when your life depends on your pistols performance you darn sure want something dependable & accurate with a good deal of punch and cartridge capacity
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glocks got a new contender for a great tactical pistol,
Id go this route if I did not already carry a glock 20 10mm and wanted a new self defense pistol, as the powers adequate and the ammos significantly cheaper and easier to find, than a 10mm
the 10mm in my opinion is marginally superior but for self defense against people, Id say the difference is meaningless, only for hunting is the extra power and velocity of the 10mm really useful
either will be damn near perfect for a self defense choice in my opinion as you'll get the power to reach the vitals of any proponent from any angle at any reasonable range with either choice so its just a mater of constant practice with your tool of choice,and keeping your concentration under stress.

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php? ... uct_id=647 45 acp 230 grain at 1000fps

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php? ... uct_id=594 10mm 200 grain at 1300fps
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Re: selecting a good self defence handgun

Postby grumpyvette » January 13th, 2015, 12:17 pm

http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-hunter/

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my neighbor bought one of these and I got too try it out at the range, its a darn nice pistol,
its accurate, failed to jam,and the fact is a 6" barrel in 10MM makes it very effective.
in fact Id have to say after shooting it its one Id like to own.
theres ALWAYS a few compromises and a balance must be found between factors like ease of use, portability,cost, ease of concealment ,effective range, recoil,magazine capacity, etc. this pistol basically has a bit more power and effective range. and some advantages in ease of use,increased magazine capacity, than most 357 mag revolvers, you might select for hunting, while its not ideal because of its size for concealment its certainly something a larger frame adult male like myself could use, and certainly its a valid choice in my opinion as I already use a full size 10mm glock.
I would actually prefer this pistol to my current glock 20 as it just feels better in my hand.
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