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445 dan wesson revolvers

PostPosted: August 8th, 2009, 12:17 pm
by grumpyvette
the bullet size in relation to the bore, the hardness and the LUBE used all effect the results
things to read
if you don,t think handguns are effective in skilled hands read this

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heres the LEE 310 I use in my 44 mag loaded over 21 grains of h10 it makes an effective load
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Dan Wesson Muzzle Brake Kit Large Frame Stainless
This brake kit is used in place of your barrel nut-very nifty accessory for your Dan Wesson! I have found the most effective design seems to be 2 rows of holes/ports oriented somewhat vertically. The trick is getting the ports timed correctly-this kit takes care of that by the use of precision shims for custom installation on your pistol! Please note the brake is "fairly" simple to install-it takes a little bit of time and patience to get the ports aligned perfectly. Instructions included. For all large frame calibers up to and including the .45's. No frame/shroud/barrel/sight included-used for demo purposes only.
1-607-336-1174 which is DAN WESSON PARTS DIRECT LINE, but be aware some parts are made to order and require 4-6 week delivery ... .tests.asp ... /index.asp ... ights.html

Re: 445 dan wesson revolvers

PostPosted: October 19th, 2009, 9:17 am
by grumpyvette
if your hunting thicker brush, a great deal of Florida is like that,and it makes it a real challenge to get close to deer/hogs . most of my friends cut a couple shooting lanes like spokes from a wheel hub about 50-80 yards long from a low tree stand they build or use the power line right of ways,and the game soon use those as travel routes and we soon found that a 44 mag revolver,445 DAN WESSON SUPER MAG, or carbine IN A CALIBER LIKE 450 marlin,444 marlin,45/70 govt,or a similar firearm, seems to be ideal, as a shot over 40 yards is very rare, in that stuff,and theres nothing Ive found yet that even a 44 mag loaded with a 300 grain hard cast lee bullet over 20 grains of H110 won,t stop and Ive shot some fairly large hogs in that crap.
now Im sure that someones going to point out a 500 S&W, or 460 S&W has more power, but honestly if the 44 mag zips thru , and leave a large hole now,whats extra power going to accomplish.
one of my friends,JACK, used a 45/70 with 405 factory loads with great success, and bragged how it zips thru large hogs.....until the day (with his permission) I zapped a huge boar he had killed with my revolver, and showed him it also zipped thru with ease, a 300 grain hard cast 44 cal bullet is a formidable projectile, when cast from 50% Linotype and 50% wheel weights plus 5% tin added alloy ... 0000690858

if you can find a location where two larger thick areas narrow to a thinner neck and place a tree stand and run the shooting lanes out so as to form an easy path thru the thicker areas to two adjacent thinner areas you will almost always provide a preferred route for the deer to use, and over time a deer hot spot for hunting, the thinner areas don,t necessarily need to be real large,or similar a field near a lake shore, that's separated bye a wooded strip, or a strip of high ground thru a swamp,are examples, but it helps to research the deer bedding and feeding areas, before selecting a site.
and obviously you don,t want it in an area of high human traffic or easy hunter access from near-bye roads, edges of power line right of ways and agricultural field corners ,or edges of ponds or lakes that border on wood lots or currently un-used fields frequently can provide the locations, and where legal on private land a mineral block placed near bye, won,t hurt.
keep in mind most deer with functioning brain cells avoid crossing truly open ground during day light, during the hunting seasons, and tend to stay just inside the brush on field edges when they can until dusk. ... l.php?id=4 ... ts&f=false ... estand.asp

Re: 445 dan wesson revolvers

PostPosted: October 20th, 2012, 2:04 pm
by grumpyvette
Im a bit curious, after a recent discussion, I was just out hog hunting with a buddy here in florida , on a guys ranch, he was very impressed with how well my 445 dan wesson super mag had put down some hogs.
the thing I found rather ODD was he had never even HEARD of a 445 dan wesson super mag, now ,if you have yet to see or try one, its similar to s stretched 44 mag with a 1.6" long case and generally throws bullets of similar weight 200-300fps faster than a 44 mag.
with a 10" is got similar power to many 454 cassul loads
bullets performance is dependent on a good knowledge of the games anatomy and very precise ,and correct shot placement.
a shot thru the green dot will be quickly fatal, place the shot a bit higher and forward to destroy the shoulder and spine if your more concerned with anchoring the animal quickly than maximizing the venison,you pack out, like the lower picture[/b]

the load I use is a 300 grain hard cast gas check bullet, with a fed mag pistol primer and 30 grains of H110 which results in near 1480 fps in my 10" barrel revolver, this is a hot but certainly not max load ,at least in this revolver. ... der&Source

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Re: 445 dan wesson revolvers

PostPosted: December 26th, 2013, 7:43 pm
by grumpyvette


The .357 SuperMag as chambered in the Dan Wesson heavy frame revolver of the same name or in the Ruger .357 Maximum Blackhawk or even in the Seville Silhouette Single Action, is generally regarded by many experienced silhouetters as the finest revolver cartridge for long range shooting ever conceived. The concept was a simple one. Instead of using a big bore for silhouettes, stretch the .357 Magnum enough that it would handle 180 and 200 grain bullets at normal .357 Magnum muzzle velocities. A length of 1.610" was selected and 180-200 grain bullets did indeed attain the same muzzle velocities as the .357 Magnum using 158 grain bullets. Though the concept was simple, carrying it out was not. It was more than a matter of chambering an existing revolver for the new cartridge as stretching the case to 1.610" also meant stretching revolver frames and cylinders a like amount. This is no simple task and certainly required a large investment in time, money, and engineering.

When the .357 SuperMag from Dan Wesson first appeared on the scene, more than one wildcatter was waiting with reamers in hand to do one thing: Turn it into a true big bore. The largest number of these were turned into .44 SuperMags, and I had the privilege of doing extensive shooting of one such early wildcat, the .44 UltraMag. The .44 UltraMag used .444 Marlin brass cut to 1.600", and this brass being larger in diameter than .44 Magnum brass, was swaged and turned on a lathe until it matched .44 Magnum dimensions. The reason, of course, was to also allow the use of the shorter .44 Magnums in the same cylinder.

My good friend Lew Schafer created the .44 UltraMag and by careful reloading we acquired the following muzzle velocities, in cold temperatures of 20-25 degrees, brutally cold when shooting a big bore revolver, using a six-inch barrelled Dan Wesson revolver:

200 grain Hornady Jacketed Hollow Point 1718 fps

220 grain Sierra FPJ Silhouette 1670 fps

240 grain Hornady Jacketed Silhouette 1596 fps

265 grain Hornady Jacketed Flat Point 1495 fps

305 grain Cast Gas Checked Bullet 1589 fps

All loads were assembled with WW680 powder and CCI #350 Magnum Large Pistol primers with the 305 grain cast bullet giving five-shot groups of 3/8"-1/2" at 25 yards.

Barrels for the .44 UltraMag were standard Dan Wesson .44 Magnum barrels but because the SuperMag frames used different threads, eight-inch .44 Magnum barrels were cut to six-inches and rethreaded. Various .44 SuperMags, based on either .444 Marlin or .30-40 Krag brass, have surfaced since, but the ".44 Stretched Magnum" became a production sixgun in 1988. Dan Wesson and the late Elgin Gates of IHMSA, combined forces to create the.445 SuperMag. Dan Wesson supplied the guns, IHMSA supplied the brass and healthy orders for the new big bore sixgun.

As of this writing, .445 SuperMags are available only from Dan Wesson in both blue and stainless steel versions. No other revolver manufacturer has seen fit to produce the .445 Supermag, so it is either Dan Wesson or a Thompson/Center Contender single-shot. Brass is available, but no factory loaded rounds. Brass can be acquired only from The Silhouette (phone 208-524-0880), and the latest run will be headstamped ".445 Gates" in memory of its creator.

Problems surfaced early with the .445 SuperMag revolver and also with the .445 brass. The first guns had oversize cylinders and the brass was not properly annealed. Problems with sizing .445 SuperMag brass has also resulted whether using either .445 or .44 Magnum carbide sizing dies both of which often raise a sharp ring of metal right above the base of the fired shell. Standard non-carbide .44 Magnum sizing dies will give better results. In my reloading of the .445, I use neither .445 nor .44 Magnum sizing dies but instead opt for a custom RCBS .44 Schafer UltraMag sizing die that puts a slight taper on the case from base to mouth, and is much easier on brass. It is somewhat of a nuisance to use as cases must be lubed and virtually hand fed into the very sharp, very flat base of the sizing die, but the results are well worth it. Most sizing dies have a slight funnel shape at the bottom to assist entrance of the case mouth; the .44 UltraMag die does not.

Except for the case-sizing cautions, reloading the .44 SuperMag is the same as for reloading the .44 Magnum. A good heavy crimp is required both to keep bullets from moving forward in recoil as the big sixgun is fired, and also to get the powder started burning properly. Powder selection is a little different as I stay with H4227, WW296, H110, WW680, and AA#1680, staying away from any faster burning powders.

The same bullets that work in the .44 Magnum also work well in the .44 SuperMag with my preference being for the heavier bullets in the 290 to 310 grain weight range. The .44 SuperMag is a an exceptionally accurate cartridge and this accuracy is even further enhanced by the use of heavyweight bullets such as the SSK J.D. Jones designed #310.429 flat point, the NEI #295.429 GC (available from BRP Bullets, 1210 Alexander Road, Dept. AH, Colorado Springs Colorado 80909) or Sierra's 300 grain jacketed flat point. Speer also has a 300 grain bullet in the works but I have not yet received any for testing as this is written.

Large Rifle primers are usually recommended for the .445 UltraMag/SuperMag/Gates, but I have yet to determine a nickel's worth of difference between the use of Large Rifle Primers and Magnum Pistol Primers. Muzzle velocities and accuracy are both virtually identical whether Federal or CCI Large Rifle Primers, or Federal or CCI Magnum Pistol Primers are used.

The .445 SuperMag has been touted as a silhouette revolver and it is IF properly loaded. It makes little sense to load it to the hilt and try to shoot 40, 60, or 80 targets with it. Even with the ten-inch barrelled version, which is just a shade under four pounds, recoil can be quite disconcerting with full house loads. For silhouetting, I would stay at 1650 feet per second or less with the 220 grain Sierra silhouette bullet or 1500 feet per second with the 240 Speer silhouette bullet. Using the 220 grain Sierra and 34.0 grains of H4227, muzzle velocity is 1648 feet per second according to the triple sky screens of my Oehler Model 35P chronograph. The same load in an eight-inch barrel goes 1635 fps, six-inch gives 1541 fps, and the Super Fourteen T/C Contender milks it for all it is worth and yields just barely over two thousand feet per second.

With the 240 Speer silhouette bullet, I use either 33.0 grains of H110, 31.0 grains of H4227, or 38.0 grains of WW680 for the 1500 feet per second muzzle velocity range from the ten-inch barrelled Dan Wesson. These same loads will do 1350 to 1450 feet per second in the six-inch and eight-inch barreled DW's and right around 1850 in the Super Fourteen.

The heavier weight bullets really make the .445 worthwhile and the replacing of the ten-inch standard barrel or eight-inch heavy barrel that were standard equipment with my early .445 Dan Wesson with a standard weight six-inch barrel makes the .445 handle as easily as a Smith & Wesson Model 29. Well, real close anyway. The shorter barrel transforms the big Dan Wesson from a clumsy, heavy competition pistol to a very packable hunting pistol.

Hunting with the .445 SuperMag means heavyweight bullets such as the 265 grain Hornady Jacketed Flat Point, the 300 grain Sierra Jacketed Flat Point, or cast bullets such as NEI's 295 grain Keith style or SSK's 310 grain flat point. Using 31.0 grains of H110 with the latter three bullets in the 300 grain weight range yields impressive muzzle velocities with the six-inch barreled Dan Wesson. Even with this relatively short barrel length, the 300 grain cast bullets will go 1500 feet per second giving a lot of power from a small package, or the 300 grain Sierra Jacketed Flat Point will do 1300 feet per second with the same load. For a slightly less powerful load, try 34.0 grains of WW680 with either of the 300 grain bullets.



SIERRA 300 JFP 29.0 GR. H110 1299 1290 1220
30.0 GR. H110 1302 1294 1242
31.0 GR. H110 1395 1394 1295
32.0 GR. H110 1445 1429 1369
32.0 GR. WW680 1144 1121 1100
33.0 GR. WW680 1229 1163 1133
34.0 GR. WW680 1284 1247 1191
35.0 GR. WW680 1340 1293 1253

BRP 295 KEITH* 29.0 GR. H110 1447 1443 1376
30.0 GR. H110 1512 1502 1477
31.0 GR. H110 1608 1572 1498
32.0 GR. H110 1635 1607 1527
32.0 GR. WW680 1397 1344 1336
33.0 GR. WW680 1435 1406 1405
34.0 GR. WW680 1554 1496 1442
35.0 GR. WW680 1568 1541 1514
36.0 GR. WW680 1612 1550 1538

SSK 310 FN** 29.0 GR. H110 1446 1442 1402
30.0 GR. H110 1501 1472 1421
31.0 GR. H110 1546 1494 1491
32.0 GR. H110 1575 1563 1544
32.0 GR. WW680 1399 1375 1334
33.0 GR. WW680 1492 1462 1444
34.0 GR. WW680 1572 1521 1500
35.0 GR. WW680 1601 1547 1517

HORNADY 265 FN 29.0 GR. H110 1361 1308 1258
30.0 GR. H110 1406 1394 1286
31.0 GR. H110 1486 1459 1310
32.0 GR. H110 1536 1527 1409
29.0 GR. H4227 1390 1377 1267
30.0 GR. H4227 1468 1445 1306
31.0 GR. H4227 1534 1506 1327
32.0 GR. H4227 1581 1576 1430

SPEER 240 FMJ 32.0 GR. H110 1471 1441 1313
33.0 GR. H110 1516 1517 1387
34.0 GR. H110 1522 1525 1442
35.0 GR. H110 1577 1533 1485
36.0 GR. H110 1570 1575 1512
30.0 GR. H4227 1408 1367 1296
31.0 GR. H4227 1514 1493 1326
32.0 GR. H4227 1609 1599 1444
33.0 GR. H4227 1682 1626 1550
35.0 GR. WW680 1419 1335 1227
36.0 GR. WW680 1451 1359 1289
37.0 GR. WW680 1476 1391 1331
38.0 GR. WW680 1504 1432 1353
39.0 GR. WW680 1499 1630 1405
34.0 GR. AA#1680 1256 1235 1045
35.0 GR. AA#1680 1345 1324 1070
36.0 GR. AA#1680 1377 1365 1189
37.0 GR. AA#1680 1388 1376 1252

SIERRA 220 FMJ 34.0 GR. H4227 1648 1635 1541
35.0 GR. H4227 1759 1705 1561
36.0 GR. H4227 1793 1780 1640
38.0 GR. WW680 1479 1460 1287
39.0 GR. WW680 1482 1461 1295
40.0 GR. WW680 1517 1491 1360